With the 29th Pick in the Draft…
Submitted by FNN Staff on Sunday, 20 January 2008178 Comments
With the Patriots and Giants winning today, the draft position for the 49ers has been set. The 49ers will be picking 29th overall in the first round. Here is how the scenario broke down. If the Packers played the Patriots in the Super Bowl, the 49ers would have picked No. 30. If the Packers played the Chargers or if the Giants played the Patriots, the 49ers would pick No. 29.
The 49ers own the Colts’ pick. The Colts, Cowboys and Packers all finished 13-3. In that tied segment, the Packers will pick last because they advanced further in the playoffs, and the Cowboys will pick before the Colts (49ers) because of a worse strength of schedule.
Source: Matt Maiocco
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Well it’s better than 30.
yea but the likely super bowl champs get the 7th pick
Its not like we can complain too much cause Staley looks pretty promising.
who knows maybe we trade up. but i really hope we get frank oakem. & if we do sign barrian then maybe briggs would want to sign with us to. & it would be sweet if we could get flozell adams or adam fanica
James hardy.. and since his stock is slipping take a chance on colt brennan second rd.. HMm played in a wide open offense at hawaii.. we got martz.. just mite work..
Go Eli and the Giants! I thoroughly despise the Patriots. I think Martz will get it turned around for us this year. He’ll probably leave for a head coaching position like Norv did, but hopefully he’ll give our guys a true sense of winning again to boost their confidence. Being from Indiana, I like the James Hardy pick. What a target to be able to throw to!
Then Giants in the Superbowl, who would have thought of that? Almost makes me believe we could make the playoffs next year. Nobody thought that the Giants were going to even make the playoffs, let alone the superbowl. Maybe the Manning family will have back to back Superbowls. Every year is different, maybe the niners will pull it off, when everybody leasts expects it. Just like the Giants. Now I’m not saying Superbowl, but i’m saying wild card playoffs looks reasonable. Of course we will have to have an excellent off season in order to do that. We have a very tough schedule. The NFC East is probaly the best division in the NFC. All four of those teams can make the playoffs. Redskins, Eagles, Giants, and the Cowboys. But than we have the easiest AFC East, Dolphins, Bills, and Jets, and the exception of course is the Patriots. Than we also get to play the Saints, we could beat them if we have an improved offense, there defense is dreadful. The lions are very beatable. Our division is key. We need to win at least 5 of the 6 division games, if we want any chance of playoffs. I think it is possibl, but it all depends on our off season and the growth of Alex Smith under Martz. Shuan Hill could win us maybe seven games, but he isn’t accurate at all when he throws the ball over 20 yards, which is key in Martz’s passing attack.If Alex SMith reaches new potential and continues to improve on from his 2006 season under Martz he could really look good. WE really need to hope that Alex Smith’s arm heals nicely or next season could be screwed.
i so hope we do not sign barrian i want us to draft a guy i am tired of every ones hand me downs wr that is pretty much are whole core other than battle hill>>>>>>>>>>>> i want Limus Sweed James Hardy OR Adauris Bowman
Berrian is still very young, but I do agree with you we keep getting old left overs from other places that were already sucessful and didn’t need them. But Berrian is different. He is younger, faster, and he wants to get out of the Bears because they suck, not becuase they don’t need him, like Darrel Jackson, and Ashley lelie. They are complete and total garbage. I say we trade Darrel Jackson for a fourth round pick and also Lelie for a fourth round pick. We can still get good recievers in the fourth round of the draft. Like Will Franklin from Missouri. Also we would be able o get some DTs and even an O-linemen. We need the draft picks more than Jackson and Lelie. Lelie is terrible, in Martz’s offense you need to be a great route runner that can learn an offense quickly and have good hands. He has the natural size and speed, but he doesn’t have the smarts to learn a complicated offense, he couldn’t even run the right routes with Hostler how is he going to under Martz?, and Darrel Jackson has the smarts, but he has lost nay ability he has ever had (if ever). He can run routes, but he isn’t fast, he is short, and he has terrible hands. Yeah you can use him in the short passing game, but that is not what Martz does with his WRs. He makes the run 18-22 yard routes, Jackson can run those routes, but his hands are terrible once he runs 10 yards in. Jackson can catch short passes but not the long passes. We could really use those draft picks.
You got a point there ninerfaithful4ever but barrian might help make our receiving a threat but I definatly feel what you’re saying about hand me downs, sometimes in hand me downs it could be a good one like something that was never worn buy that person and it’s something real hot which make you say why is he giving this away?
JUST SAY NO TO THE WAC QBs. No offense, but I can’t even remember a successful WAC QB. Furthermore, he looked like a boy amongst men in that game against Georgia….I watched EVERY painful moment. I would rather they took a chance on Henne or Booty in the fourth or fifth round just because I think the niners have more pressing needs(especially if they SIGN HILL). By the way…this is how Kiper is stacking the talent at the moment.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index
Colt Brennan sucks. I would rather run the option with Arnaz Battle then waste a pick on him.
Pick Matt Flynn from LSU and groom him for 2 years. It wouldn’t take a good draft pick
on the list top 25 only one wide rec on that list so could we see some big names falling into the second round !!!! lets get a DE in the first round
We need a DT more then a DE.. Perfect Offseason.. We have cap room forget about berrian.. Get briggs Suggs and if you could lure him over here Haynsworth from the Titans.. Draft wise.. Get James hardy Period..This draft isnt as deep this year as last year.. So Get hardy first rd.. then trade for more picks.. This is draft where qaunity def out wieghs quality..
If you want a QB you go to the PAC-10, BIG-10, or the SEC. As for a DT, I would like to get one as well, but we WILL MORE LIKELY go after a d end because that is what BY was. Fill the holes. I would like Suggs, but then we would be spending a lot of money on a position we have already spent money on with Lawson and TBC…I’m not saying TBC is worth, but….
The reason we won’t get a DT is because we will resign Soap and we have Franklin….Nolan will only keep 7-8 d linemen. DT is purely for the NOSE….I think.
I want Desean Jackson from Cal how come nobodys talking about him I think hes the best WR in the draft and a good KR too!! Forget Berrian if we get him he is going to suck ass for sure
29th pick?
No problem…….trade down for an extra 2nd & 3rd round pick, pick smartly, and maximize the most out of the draft.
a lot of mock drafts has the 49ers takin Mario Manningham
Trading down doesn’t sound so bad, but we NEED A NUMBER ONE RECEIVER, which we won’t get IF we trade down. Desean Jackson is projected to go mid first round in most mock drafts I have seen and I just don’t think he is worth trading up for. We should stay put unless an opportunity presents itself where we can fill A MAJOR NEED by moving up. We would get more picks if we trade down, but then you never know if we will get a REAL TALENT either by gambling in the second round….something McNolan hasn’t been very good at. I don’t want to gamble in the draft this year unless we are moving up. I agree with ninersgold about James Hardy because IF we get scooped on all the players that McNolan was targeting then we can get him….unless he BLOWS UP at the combine. I like the BIG RECEIVERS AS WELL. The midgets haven’t been getting it done….pure and simple…it doesn’t matter if they have been on our team for a while and you have bought their jersey. WE NEED WRs THAT EXECUTE CONSISTENTLY!!!
Senior Bowl Practice…day 1…on NFL Network 1pm
here is some more stuff
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3206644&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3206644
ESPN2 just had a 5 minute segment about the niners and what they are going to do in the draft. It sounded like McShay thinks we are going to go after a WR as well. (surprise, surprise). They were talking to Maiocco as well.
To answer about Desean Jackson…..I have gone to plenty of Cal games and it seems that he blows up one game and then is completely gone in the next game. The niners need consistency….I just don’t think he is that. However, he is short and fast so the niners might go after him. I just hope McNolan doesn’t become blind when a good receiver hits them in the forehead during the draft. WE HAVE SHORT FAST RECEIVERS….they haven’t done much for us. Maybe, we should take a harder look at the receiver besides saying,”OHHHH, OHHHH, he is 6′0″ and runs a 4.4 we better get him!” Even if he turns out to be crap. Get a receiver that has played against good defenses college. When Desean Jackson played against a REAL DEFENSE he was VERY STREAKY!!!!
A lot of people are saying that if we do re-sign Soap that he will play D-end if we get a capable NT. Abrayu Franklin isn’t terrible, but he gets winded far too much, and if you look at successful three fours around the league they all have a beast NT to plug the middle. Because of this I think our most pressing position of need on defense is NT, but our overall most pressing need is O-line.
But there are numerous free agents out there and with a few key signings we could be sitting pretty for the draft.
Also, somebody posted earlier that this isn’t a very deep draft, I disagree. I would agree that the talent at the top isn’t as strong as previous years. but there are quite a few players coming out with talent comparable to the early first rounders. I think this is a perfect year for the 49ers to not have an early pick, because we could really end up with some talent in this draft and fill our needs. McNolan will make the right personnel calls, but I think if we don’t trade down we could benefit from staying put.
I have a very unrealistic scenario, what if Woodson does a Rogers Slide and we have a shot at him at 29 or even in the second, do we take him.
My friend asked me that question and at first I said hell no, but I started to think, and I’m not so sure about my answer now.
MSouza I have wondered that myself. If the objective of the 3-4 is to stuff up the line then WHY NOT put someone like soap at end?
Has anyone actually taken a look at the South Squad for the Senior bowl. Knowing that the past few years we’ve had the chance to coach the team we’ve tended to pick atleast 2-3 players off that team. Actually there is quite a bit of talent on the south squad that I would be interested in.
Erik Ainge QB if he falls to 4th I’d take a gamble on. wasnt that great in college but played in a pro system and if someone fixes his mechanics could be decent.
Also on the DL Red Bryant, Marcus Harrison, Kendall Langford.
WR that might fit for martz system are Caldwell from florida played the spread in college at wide out now I’m skeptical on florida wide outs b/c most dont pan out but He has an idea of system and did well in it. Also a WR that no one has mentioned but could be 3-5th round pick is Harry Douglas from Lousiville. OH and the WR i think could be the big steal if he falls to us LIMAS SWEED. he has top 10 talent if he was healthy all year but by missing 95% of the season his stock has taken a hit.
I am also a huge fan of drafting Jacob Hester RB from LSU. Could be great goal line back and a real bruiser for nice backup spot.
as for LB spots Ben Moffit from South Florida Could be nice ILB he has a nose for the ball. Someone to look at as backup to willis or someone who could with that starting spot next to willis if we dont get/go after briggs.
At DB Wolfe from OU, Jackson from LSU could both be decent nickels.
I think if Terrell Brown can come back healthy he can take over starting opposite clements. I liked what he showed when healthy I think with more playing time if he comes back healthy theres #2. with harris/spencer battling it out for 3. or even harris at 2 with brown aire apparent to the 2.
Although a corner who if falls to 2nd could be a steal is Cason DB from arizona. He was first round pick if he came out last year. And this year he still one def back of the year in college.
Theres a lot of talent on each squad this year. Interested to see how practices go and who stands out.
http://www.seniorbowl.com/2008/pdf/2008.roster.southalpha.pdf
I like all of those guys but Ainge. My friend is a Tennessee fan so I ended up watching a lot of him. He reminds me so much of Pennington its not even funny. He has an accurate arm until he has to make a 15 yard pass and then its anybodies guess where the ball is going, usually short of the target. There are a lot of quarterbacks in this draft or even on the senior bowl rosters that are much better, and I wouldn’t spend anything higher than a late sixth round pick on Ainge.
nice GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could see what your saying with the ainge and pennington comparisons. but i believe ainge has better arm strength although thats not really hard to have. As far as his balls landing short thats more of his mechanics that arm strength. Fixing a QB’s mechanics can do wonders. I was only looking at the QB’s on the south roster though. If i look at Qb’s in general the one QB who if falls to 4th I would love to take chance on is Flacco from Del. But just have that feeling someone will take a chance on his at some point in the 3rd.
Ryan the 1st…..Successful WAC Qb’s …Ever hear of Hall of Famer
Steve Young 49ers, (BYU) Jeff Garcia 3 Pro Bowls with the 49ers. San
Jose State. Brennan is going to fall into the 4th or 5th round.
Cant b mad wit Brennan n a 4th or 5th. c how he playz n da Bowl next week under Nolan an comp
Los Banos Jerry, I am not knocking Steve Young OR Jeff Garcia, BUT IF all you have is TWO QBs in the history of the NFL that is kind of like packing two bullets on the way to the OK Corrall! They both are great QBs, but if you compare that to the number of QBs that have been drafted out of WAC PERIOD….you will have a REALLY pathetic ratio. STAY AWAY FROM THE WAC!!! If Brennan is available in the 4th or 5th then TAKE HIM, but we shouldn’t be wasting a first day pick on a player that will be our 3RD STRING QB…..I want to draft players that will see their way onto the field next season.
PICK #30 The 49ers Pick:
Quentin Groves (DE, Auburn)
This pick goes to the Niners from the Colts. With a need at OLB, the Niners could use a guy like Quentin Groves of Auburn. Groves had 9.5 sacks a junior and only 3 this season, but is an ideal candidate for a 3-4 OLB. At about 6’3, 255, Groves has the size and speed to excel off the edge at the next level. Tully Banta-Cain hasn’t lived up to expectations in San Francisco, as they need playmakers on both sides of the ball.
…………..Ho[pe they right..an n da 2nd round get Bowmen
Just don’t see Grove’s Falling to the 29th pick. I think someone will snatch him before us. I think that he will bring up his stock big time at the combine. Don’t think we even get chance to think about that pick. However with lawson coming back hopefully at 100% that should help our LB corps. I don’t think LB is a 1st round need. I would lean more toward either a de/nt or at WR. 2 bigger needs. Even OT is a bigger need. Our def was fine and that was while missing a starter in lawson who in the 2 games he played looked like he was gonna break out this year.. I’d rather work on the NT/DE part of the line if talent is there and worth pick go for it. Or OT/Wr both bigger needs then LB.
I hope Groves doesn’t slip to us. I really don’t see him being a Shawn Merriman, like many have compared him to. His college production isn’t that great and like has been said numerous times we have more glaring needs.
Mike I hear u, our Defense was ight but adding pressure to da QB which we lacked would be a big plus. Our secondary would come up with a lot more picks due to the QB not getting comfortable and sitting back throwing on us all day. Tully isn’t exactly putting fear into anyone, he maybe better suited coming off da bench for us as he was wit da Patz. As for our O-Line..yes I agree we need to address it but there are a lot of good young veterans in free agency that I feel we should go after. They already have NFL experience and could step in right away making a strong impact. If you think about it, we may have a rookie starting at WR an new face at QB, “Hill hope” so having a strong veteran line could really be a plus. Grabbing an O-Line men in the draft I believe is a need but not a 1st round need. There will be quality depth at the WR position in the 2nd round, my personal hopeful is Bowmen, but at this point beggars can’t be choosers.
We’ve neglected our D-line in the draft for years. Something needs to be done there.
West i know what your saying about pressure on the QB but remember we’ll have lawson back from injury. Replacing BY is gonna be hard since he was such a stable for a long time. So DE/NT huge need. While in a 3-4 system LB get pressure on your Qb. IT is huge to have dline to hold up lineman to free up that LB to blitz. Plus I am pretty high on Jay Moore our 4th rounder last year. He got hurt but I think he could be really good in our system at OLB. Banta Cain should be situational guy not a starter I think we all agree with that. Notice when he played for pats late in game’s he had most rest and thats when he put up most of his numbers.
As for QB i think Smith is gonna beat out Hill. I think Martz is gonna work with Smith and get his mechanics fixed. Smith has better arm strength and has more talent. Unfortunately only time it showed was when turner was Off CO. Now we have another GOOD Off Co. hopefully smith will start to show what he’s got. Remember he’s still the youngest QB in the league.
I’m not jumping on the Hill bandwagon after 2 starts and half a game. While i think he could be nice backup he’s a below average starter. He played against backup players in one game. and he didn’t put up huge numbers he just managed a game. He has terrible arm strength which is reason why he has been in league so long and never been given chance.
I do think we also Draft a QB somewhere btwn 3-6 round to maybe push Alex a bit put a little pressure on him.
I do like the idea of WR in 2nd but if right guy is there in 1st i think we grab him. bowman i would like in the 2nd I think he’ll be there unless he blows up at combine. But as far as Oline not being a first round need idk. Tackle would be nice no guard is worth first round grade. But there are a few tackles. While i dont like the idea of it. Unless we’re looking to spend a fortune on one in free agency. best bet i think on tackle whos still young is Jordan Gross but i think carolina is stupid to let him go.. Starks is overrated.. Adams is getting up there in age. I’d rather get younger tackle to groom on other side of staley and have that position set for years to come. although i could see us going Dline/Oline with 2nd pick and WR with first. Or dline with first wr in 2nd an Oline 3rd.
I think alot is going to go on how senior bowl practices go with nolan and co. could tell via reports on that an idea of what direction we may choose to go.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHoJbh08n3c
I found this and you guys should watch this its stupid but true. I hope nobody gets mad if so accept my apologies.
Yea we will have Lawson back, but we blitz more from da other olb spot… Lawson is our cover guy…thats y they brought in Tully an Green…to get to the QB….Harselyn came n for Lawson a (sack guy)n college but was used to cover..reason being, thats the dutie. 1 side covers an blind side come n.
In the 3-4 there are two outside linebackers . These outside backers are known as the Strong-Side and Weak-Side Linebackers. The Strong-Side, or Sam linebacker,(Manny Lawson) is so named because he typically sticks to the strong side of the defense, across from the TE. The Sam does his fair share of blitzing, however he also needs to play the run and will usually be relied upon to cover the tight end or potentially a back out of the backfield. The Weak-Side, or Will,(Groves) will generally play on the weak side and has more freedom than the other LBs, often blitzing the QB or guarding against the screen.
I understand how a 3-4 def runs and the responsibilities for each linebacker.
First off i don’t think groves makes it to our pick regardless so this is a moot point. But a LB is not a 1st round need for us. NOT THIS YEAR. There are many more needs. Now even if we go after Oline in free agency. Still the need for DLINE and WR out way the need for LB in first.
Groves is LB in 3-4 But if were looking for a pass rushing 3-4 LB why not wait till 3rd and take Davis out of UCLA. Who is known for pass rushing skills. and would play OLB in a 3-4 system. Just think there are bigger needs. And I think groves ends up in a redskins uni. as they need help on dline an i think they put him at end. To many teams could take groves well before us. Don’t think even point of thinking about him being there unless his combine is terrible.
This is who I think we should get 4 years from now for our QB…
http://notredame.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=69156
He has the pro size even his father didn’t have for us. You should recognize who it is from that face.
These are highlights of him in a training camp…
http://notredame.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=69156&vidtype=amp&vidid=2854
i dont think he wil have waht his father did but it will be interesting to see how he play under charlie and ND
Charlie Weiss made Brady Quinn into a Tom Brady copy cat. Do you think he could change Nate Montana into a Tom Brady type QB? Maybe he will be a mix of both his father and the teachings of Weiss. How great would it be to have anither Montana with the Niners. I know he might think he will have to live up to his name but he has been living with that for 18 years already. Besides look at the Manning family. Eli looked like the odd one out, but he didn’t care, and he continued playing until, look at him now. He is in the Superbowl the year after Peyton won it. Maybe previous family pressure isn’t as bad as it seems.
With his size Nate Montana looks like what Joe Flacco is this year. Really tall, stong arm, the prototype QB. Nate has been learning from professional QB coaches since he was young,I read that from ESPN, and he has probaly had more training and preparation than Flacco ever had at this age. He could turn out to be really good under Weiss and some helpful advice from his father, bang you have an amzing QB. I hope the Niners pick him up, even if it is just for fun or for amusement. But he could be a great starter if he does become a starter at Notre Dame, especially under Weiss. Weiss seems to be a great QB coach for big size QBs, Brady Quinn and Tom Brady are both 6′4″-6′5″, and Jimmy Clausen is very short for QB being 6′1″-6′2″.
(This is asuming if Nate Montana does decide to become a pro Qb in the NFL, he still might not, and he will have to win the starting job at Notre Dame)
I don’t know what the heck you guys are thinking, yes we are coaching the south team for the senior bowl again luckily, Brennan is exactly the type of QB that Martz wants, covets and likes, Martz is coaching him right now at this time, now unless something un-for-see-able happen’s, Brennan will be drafted by the 49ers and competing at QB. Brennan will be a first or second round pick for us. And if we don’t bring in Max Strarks in free agency, RT will be our other first or second round pick.
Brennan is exactly what alex smith was. Ran the same damn offense in college. NO WAY do i see us picking a QB before the 3rd. not with us still paying smith a boat load of cash. I do think we take a qb but don’t think its brennan.. And Smith ran same spread offense in college so if your comparing it by that then Smith is starter right now and hill is a distant memory. While i think smith wins starting job anyway just because he does fit martz off better then hill.
Brennan from all reports, actually all reports are saying none of the south teams QB’s are looking good. most are having a problem with accuracy. Why take another shotgun qb when we already have one and are paying him a fortune. If we draft a qb it will be from 3rd-6th round and i’d like to think more of a drop back qb. as its easier to pick up shotgun then it is to pick up reading def from under center.
oh and for example. the qb’s martz worked with Bulger came from west virginia i believe before they went into that spread attack. So he was drop back qb in college. and the lions 3rd rounder drew stanton from mich. state was also a drop back qb which martz had fixed his mechanics and actually looked decent until he got hurt.
Gotta think we’re going to run an offense similar to rams when they had faulk. not this lions crap where they throw the ball 60 times a game. He’s centering the offense around gore. I’d like to think he’d use VD more as a gates type and split him out wide. Martz is not a stupid guy. He will use the talent he’s got around him to the best of there ablities he may be a prick in person but he always brings out most talent in his players even his former players have said that.
Even if the niners don’t get a receiver in free agency, I think they have to go after an offensive lineman with the 30th pick. With the loss of Larry Allen and the complete meltdown of Jonas Jennings, there will be spots to fill.
so lets draft talk alittle bit let say we Draft a Wide Rec second round who and what type of players will be around? do u think Adauris Bowman perhaps could be around
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/2008_nfl_mock_draft.cfm?writer=13 the nfl mock draft update two rounds
There is no way that Brennan gets drafted in the first or second after the Georgia game. The only way he will get picked in the third is if a team doesn’t have a fourth or gets worried that their 4th is a little late to pick him up. I think he will fall to the niners in the fourth and if Martz liked his potential then we’ll grab him at that point, but Nolan hates controversy and unless Woodson or Brohm slips to us in the first or second then he probably won’t use a first day pick on a QB.
Mock Draft posted by ninerfaithful: I don’t think the niners will draft Manningham in the first. I don’t think anyone will, he had a down year, on a struggling offense and doesn’t have the ideal size that most NFL teams want. If he has a good combine he may be able to earn a late first round grade, but I don’t think the niners will go after him.
HEY M Souza i posted the link not the draft i just wanted to get some draft talk rollin to get me through my work day so help me out find me a mock draft that is more on key
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210519
Do you think we should try to get this guy? He looks really bad in this article, but I saw him dominate and he usually does dominate entire seasons. Shaun Rogers is a beast though. He is supposed to be 330+, but he is overweight due to an injury, now he weighs 360 pounds. If he doen’t get suspended do you think we should get him? He is one of the top five DTs in the NFL. He definetly has the size to play in the 3-4. If we could get him back in shape he could really be a huge addition.
The reason why I think Shaun Rogers “dissapeared” in there 6 game losing streak, was because they were losing. I know players should play hard 100% all the time even when you are a crappy team, but not everybody is like Patrick Willis, who continus to get better the more the team continues to suck. Admit it, when you are losing by 21 points in the middle of the third quarter, and your QB is Jon Kitna, I don’t think I would bother wasting my energy. Detroit’s secondary is shit and he still single handedly (or BODILY) won some of those games with that defense. He can put major pressure. Shaun Rogers is a Pro Bowl DT, not this year, but he still played like a pro bowler in some of his games. I hope we pick Shaun Rogers up, a 6′4″ 360 pound DT, and if he gets back in shape he could be 345 pounds faster, the guy returned a INT 66 yards, that is impressive for a DT. (if he does not gget a 8 game suspension)
Oh and Mel Kiper also has us taking James Hardy in the first round, I don’t want us to get him in the first round I want him if he is in the second round. If Quentin Groves or another DE tweener to 3-4 OLB that is a fast stud and is available than get them in the first round instead. I think we really need to get an ROLB. TBC sucks, we need someone faster and more athletic than TBC. I know we need offensive and defensive linemen, but we could get those through free agency/trade (DT Shaun Rogers, Alan Faneca OG, Max Starks OT,Flozell Adams OT, Bernard Berrian WR, Lance Briggs 3-4 ILB, and more…), but there are no good 3-4 ROLBs in free agency, we can only get them throught the draft.
ESPN Insider:
Kiper’s First-Round Projection
1 Miami Dolphins Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long, DE Virginia
3 Atlanta Falcons** Matt Ryan, QB Boston College
4 Oakland Raiders** *Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas
5 Kansas City Chiefs** Jake Long, OT Michigan
6 New York Jets *Vernon Gholston, DE Ohio St.
7 New England Patriots (from SF) *Aqib Talib, CB Kansas
8 Baltimore Ravens Sedrick Ellis, DT USC
9 Cincinnati Bengals *Phillip Merling, DE Clemson
10 New Orleans Saints Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina
11 Buffalo Bills *Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma
12 Denver Broncos *Ryan Clady, OT Boise St.
13 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh
14 Chicago Bears Sam Baker, OT USC
15 Detroit Lions Leodis McKelvin, CB Troy
16 Arizona Cardinals *Jonathan Stewart, RB Oregon
17 Minnesota Vikings *DeSean Jackson, WR California
18 Houston Texans Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida
19 Philadelphia Eagles Chris Williams, OT Vanderbilt
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers *Felix Jones, RB Arkansas
21 Washington Redskins *Calais Campbell, DE Miami
22 Dallas Cowboys (from CLE) *Mario Manningham, WR Michigan
23 Pittsburgh Steelers *Chilo Rachal, OG USC
24 Tennessee Titans Limas Sweed, WR Texas
25 Seattle Seahawks Fred Davis, TE USC
26 Jacksonville Jaguars *Derrick Harvey, DE Florida
27 San Diego Chargers *Reggie Smith, CB Oklahoma
28 Dallas Cowboys *Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois
29 San Francisco 49ers (from IND) *James Hardy, WR Indiana
30 Green Bay Packers Keith Rivers, LB USC
31 New York Giants Dan Connor, LB Penn St.
32 New England Patriots Forfeited pick
there is that james hardy pick again i just wish we could some how we could snag him in the second round
Lavelle Hawkins is exploding in the North teams practice, he has the speed and size to be a perfect Martz reciever. It’s hard to decide who we should get. James Hardy could very easily fall to us in the second round. The only other team that might pick him in the second round would be the KC Chiefs.(right before us) Lavelle Hawkins is also projected as a 2nd-3rd round pick, but it looks like his stock will go up if he continues to play amazing in practice and on toward the game. My question now is would we take Hardy in the second round if he was available? I’m starting to doubt it, because Nolan is probaly high on Martz recievers. Hardy could fit into a category of his own though, like a Plaxico Burress, ridiculous speed for size. I like Hawkins though. Bowman has been terrible in practices and has been dropping balls (another stone hand) we don’t need him. Limas Sweed got injured and so did early doucet (thank God!). Nolan was interested in doucet because he has the short quick reciever feature (his size is Martz type WR but he isn’t really fast, he is just quick) I hope that McNolartz make the right choice and also find a way to get another set of two first round picks. They alomost always find a way, and Nolan said if there is a player that is worth it he will do it again.
Should we get a Martz reciever to help make his offense run faster, or a big target (that has game speed, not timed, similar to Rice) that would help Alex Smith much like Burress helps Eli? I hope the Niners think about getting Will Franklin in the later rounds, he could be like Torry Holt with his ability with the ball in his hands. I want to get either Hawkins or Hardy and Will Franklin. As you well know Holt was Martz’s best reciever he ever had.
Trade:
Jason Hill(he has timed speed, but slow in game speed)3rdroundpick Darrel Jackson( doesn’t have the Martz speed, or hands)4throundpick Ashley Lelie (Isn’t smart enough to learn complicated off.)4th pick
Off season:
Shaun Rogers DT (if he gets back in shape would be a probowl force)
Lance Briggs 3-4 inside linebacker (would play TED next to Willis)
Bernard Berrian Martz WR (with speedy deep threat ability)
Draft WRs
Hardy or Hawkins 2nd round pick
Will Franklin 4th round pick http://www.gametap.com/home/read/article/2840
I hope we get two recievers through the draft.
Hill you will not get a 3rd round pick for. He barely played at all his rookie season and he was a 3rd round pick. at best your talking about a 5th round pick for him.
Jackson we traded a 4th for and he had a worse year with us. again another 5th round pick.
and Lelie i will actually say a 4th round pick b/c of the simple fact that he does have that deep speed that teams like. Unfortunately he’s not a great route runner.
My opinion i wouldn’t give up on hill yet we just drafted him last year. Lets see what he can actually do before trade someone away. I mean look what jets did with santana moss. They didnt use him really. let him go to redskins and they put him right in lineup and he became a good WR and very productive. So i don’t want to trade away a piece b/c we were stupid enough to not see what he can do first.
I never liked the jackson trade but again his stock is so low he may just be a cut down road but don’t see teams giving up much for him as far as picks go.
Lelie i actually think hold onto and martz hopes to have him learn how to run routes.
Hill didn’t play all year because he couldn’t learn the simplest playbook in the NFL… Jim Hostlers offense. He dropped a simple ball thrown from Shaun Hill on a 4th and 1. The guy is slow as molasses. He ran a fast 40 time, but he isn’t fast in the game. I guess we will still have to see. He does have decent hands, exception for that one dropped pass. He is more like a short possesion reciever, why bother when we could easily get a tall possesion reciever. I think we should make him look good than trade him for a fourth or third rounder. Right now it looks like the Niners suck at drafting third round recievers, Hill and Williams. But he does still have to prove himself, and knowing Martz he either brings the best out of players or he doesn’t use them. Jason Hill better be used, or he is just a waste of a good pick. We could easily get afourth for Darrel Jackson, there are desperate teams looking for a veteran reciever that can run good routes. Lelie is like Hill, he can’t learn the simple playbook, how will he learn the most complicated one. Trade him while he still has value.
The picks are more important than the crappy players we have. They have more value than those players do. (exception for Hill… for now) We have one of the best drafters in McNolan, he/they would be able to find a fifth or fourth round pick that can play better than those former 1st round second round busts we keep picking up. (Lelie and Jackson) Forgot to mention Bryan Gilmore, he can’t do anyhting but reverses for negative yards.
like i said in previous blogs…Lavelle Hawkins has great speed and would fit perfectly in our system and is draftable anywhere from the 2nd to 4th round…this guy is tearin it up at the senior bowl practice…
Hill was also a rookie that has to get to know new terminology. There is a huge diff. in the terms from college ball to the nfl. So just b/c he couldn’t pick up playbook in one season he must go. If that was the case then almost half of the rookies in the league every year would be cut after first season. It’s not exactly easy to pick up. And speed btwn College and pro’s is vastly diff. Pro’s look like there going in lightning speed compaired to college ball and there are athletes who admit that. I can’t see any reasoning to give up on him yet.
Jackson I still disagree with on the 4th rounder. We gave seattle a 4th last year and he had better numbers then this past season and most teams then were iffy on the 4th and wanted to go with 5th. So idk thats my opinion though. I could very well be wrong an a team could turn around and offer a 4th but i just don’t see his value being that high. Lelie has the speed for deep route thats it.. just have a feeling he will stay and i think that will be a nolan call since he wanted him so bad last offseason even though he wasn’t used that much.
Gilmore is a waste of a roster space i think we can all agree on that one. No reason for him to be on the team next season i think martz will have final word to finally cut him.
Hawkins is showing alot in the senior bowl practices and looks to be climbing up draft boards i could actually see us reaching for him in the 2nd round now or atleast thinking about it. Seems to fit martz system well. has good hands and isnt afraid of the middle of the field.
Jim Hostlers playbook was based off of Norv Turner’s playbook. That is one of the reasons we decided to promote him. The problem is that I don’t think Hostler fully understood his own plays.
It is very rare to find a rookie WR with immediate impact. The position doesn’t translate easily from college to pros. I’m pretty sure there won’t be one in this draft. Look at Braylon Edwards, Santanna Moss, Steve Smith, and the list goes on. Give a rookie time, don’t be an impatient douche bag.
In regards to that “easy” fourth and one drop ninersgold: First thing the pass was thrown behind the slant route which is where the coverage was.
Second when some of your first action as a profesional is on fourth down that the fate of the game could rest on, there might be some pressure.
Third coming from someone who played the position at the college level, the slant on press coverage is a very hard route to run successfully, and on fourth and one, there isn’t much threat of a deep pass to help keep the corners honest, plus a run is expected on the play usually so the corner is already focused inside. The niners tried to trick a poor Bengals defense, but failed. It was tough catch and a tough route. Your going to evaluate a player on one play in his rookie season? That just like me saying Hardy showed very little separation skill on this one play I caught between commercials, he must never get of the press coverage.
Plus you don’t know Hill’s game speed, because he has barely been in a game this entire year. Your just regurgitating what you heard from either Kiper or Mayock. Stop trying to evaluate players! You obviously have never played the game.
Thank you Souza you seem to understand my point of giving hill a chance.
Get Shaun Rodgers! Dump that waste of space Franklin. How many times did you hear Franklins name for making a play? NEVER
Does anyone else think that the Patroits r ruining the NFL? Im so sick and tired of them and there big head QB. “Hey Tom get a bigger helmet half your head doesnt fit”. They play to many mind games with everyone and ESPN is eating it up “will Brady play” duh what do u think ESPN no Matt Castle will get the start! They are a boring team they make me not care about watching football. I never thought Id say this but go GIANTS!!!!
PATROITS ****
According to San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan, the team may look to draft a big, bruising running back in the 2008 NFL Draft. The bigger back would be used to take some of the load off of RB Frank Gore next season. (Good to see).
If there looking for a bruiser I’d love Jacob Hester RB from LSU. Prolly a 4th rounder maybe 5th
TWO WORDS. JAMRS HARDY. 6-7 220. THE BALL DONT EVEN HAVE TO BE THROWN PERFECT. JUST THROW IT UP. LOOK AT WHAT PLAXICO DID TO ONE OFF THE BEST CB IN THE LEAGUE AL HARRIS.
I MEAN OF NOT OFF
Thats is why I like him. He would be a red zone killer. He could probaly break the rookie touchdowns in a single season record if we use him in the red zone as often as possible. The record is 17 by(Randy Moss) He is unstoppable, there is literally no way, unless you somehow overthrow him (which even that is hard to do), that we don’t get a touchdown. The guy is 6′7″ and he also has jumps. Corners that are considered really big are 6′2″. Most are 5′11″ to 6′0″. That’s why Plaxico owned Al Harris, and Plaxico is 6′5″, add two more inches and you have yourself a complete monster named James Hardy. I still want us to pick someone else in the first round, I really like Hardy, but I can’t see us picking up a first round reciever. The problem with Hardy is his he is “raw” talent, he will need to get used to the speed of the NFL games, and get some experience. He looks slow, because he is tall but he is faster than he looks, much like Vince Young. Young looks like a slow shit sometimes, but when you see dfenders try to catch him from behind you actually see he is flat out burning them. Height makes people look slower. He would be the easiest target to throw to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt1PBEfwuJQ
I agree Jacob Hester RB from LSU would be a SOLID PICK. he has a lot of heart and passion for the game, him next to frank gore would be an ultimate threat.
Mike…Jacob Hester RB from LSU would be great…
Have they hired a new oline, and rb’s coach yet? If so who!
The o line coach is staying…..I don’t know why….no replacement for the RB coach yet.
what about Roy Williams. it is said that the lions are looking for a second round pick. i think he would be real good he has already worked with martz and he is young and big. we need to get him
yeah i could see giving up a second rounder however i would like to see us trade away djax and maybe lelie and get us another wr in this draft class i just think there is going to be star in this draft class
Well rumors are officially swirling again that we are going to go hard after Briggs LB in free agency since we couldn’t get him via trade during the season.
A replacement for Derek Smith would surely lock up spot next to Willis in center that would be a hell of a MLB combo.
Could be this years version of how nolan wanted clements last year. and he got him. this year its briggs. I know it’s been rumored all over for awhile now since couldn’t get him mid season but i thought thats all they were just rumors but apparently there’s weight to these rumors.
if all the lions want for Roy Williams is a Second give it to them, he’d look great in red, and he is a freak of nature. Maybe his freakish ability would inspire Vernon Davis to start playing like the manchild he is. I think that they would want more for him though, but if this is true, you really can’t beat the price. Look at what Roy Williams did last year for Furry, if he can pull in a hundred balls, Arnaz and vernon should be able to manage 70 a piece.
It would be nice if we could trade for Roy Williams and maybe draft Limas Sweed. Living in Texas and being a UT fan, I’ve seen these guys play alot and the never disappointed me. Limas is a monster on the field but I hate to admit James Hardy would be nice to. That guy is an animal.
I heard that Limas Sweeds injury is still having bad affects on him, when he was healthy he was just like Roy Williams, but his injury has even prevented him from playing in the Senior Bowl. I think that wrist injury might have screwed his possible NFL career, unless the injury does fully recover. James Hardy is taller and is not injured, that is the difference.
There is a Cromartie in the senior bowl, and he is impressing Nolan, money! If he is anything like his older brother Antonio Cromartie, he could be an amazing corner. Antoinio Cromartie had the craziest interceptions and returns I have ever seen. He had 10 interceptions with the Chargers, if his brother is available in the later rounds, he is projected late rounds, I think we will take him. Oh I think he is like his brother because in practices he has been also getting “highlight” interceptions just like his older brother.
Also if Jacob Hester is availablein the 5th round I think Nolan will pick him up, he is the type of player Nolan likes, and he has said that he should be a “really damn good player in the NFL for any team”. He would play full back, He is a lot like Wes Welker except a fullback, he almost always gets short first down situations and goalline carries, he can catch the ball, I would love to see what Martz would do with such a “football” player. He plays with heart and is the perfect player. I hate Wes Welker for getting first downs all time for the Pats on 4th and short and 3rd downs, but Jacob Hester is just like him, he would do wonders for the Niners on third down and 4th down situations, he would be that “annoying player” like Wes Welker, except we would like him with us. He can run, catch, and run block. Moran Norris is a good run blocker but he is slow and can’t really do anything else.
I don’t think the injury is career threating but with his injury he should drop down near the lower first. If he is there I think we should get him. If heard from a couple of people on here that James Hardy might be available in the early 2nd. We have 2 high 2nd round picks. The chances of it happening are slim but it would be nice.
Have any of you heard who the might draft for a punt anf kick returner?
Don’t look to much into the Sweed injury and the fact he had to pull out of senior bowl.
Sweed just had the cast removed from his wrist last week after undergoing surgery to repair several partially torn ligaments earlier this season. in his left wrist. In fact, doctors reportedly told Sweed not to play in the Senior Bowl, however, he decided to participate even though he hasn‘t taken part in live drills for weeks and still doesn’t have full range of motion and is wearing a brace
He just had cast taken off a week before and was told not to participate in the bowl yet he wanted to show what he has anyway. That shows a lot about him character wise.
Issue with Hardy right now alot have him in late first to early 2nd round but they also say if he runs a fast 40 at the combine he could shoot up draft board to be a lock for mid first round somewhere just because of his measureables.Which is a real possiblity
And texas9ers where is this 2nd high rounder pick coming from.. to my knowledge we only had 1 first and 1 second round pick. Unless your are essentially calling our first round pick since its so late a 2nd.
I would rather take Hardy than Sweed because he doesn’t strike me as another INJURY PRONE, NO HEART, CONTRACT MILKING WR!!!
Roy Williams is REALLY injury prone too…. bring in someone new that will feel some ownership with the team….Williams will come in like he is hot shit and then say his Vagina hurt so he can miss half the season.
Roy Williams only misses games for legitimate injuries. He isn’t that injury prone, no more than most anyway.
They were talking about Sweed’s wrist the other day during the senior bowl practice. It isn’t reinjured or anything like, that it is just still a little agrivated and he felt that it would hurt his performance, not something that you want to do just before the draft. Also, he elected to stick around and go through the meetings and all that stuff to get a feel for the next level, I think that speaks loads to his character, but if we trade for Roy Williams, which probably won’t happen, we better not draft a receiver on the first day.
Roy Williams isn’t going to happen. Nolan wants more Nolan guys and Roy Williams likes to be a media lightning rod once in a while….that isn’t what Nolan wants. Get Malcolm Kelly, Hardy, or Bowman if we are going WR….these short midgets just don’t have the ability to be red zone threat like a Plaxico Burress…they can’t be given an ali oop. We have enough midgets thank you very much. I THOUGHT DJAX was going to pan out, I really did, I was a believer, but he crushed that with last season. With all the injuries, the fact that he has already been given a big pay day, and he obvious lack of urgency are symptoms of most WR who have a couple of good seasons and a big pay day to follow. Get a young kid that wants to help turn the franchise around.
vote on the sportnation poll…they’re asking what is the best dynasty ever….Steelers, 49ers, cowgirls, or pats.
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I heard they have the first 2nd round pick and then they have another pick 3 or 4 picks later, but I’m not 100% sure if anyone knows the correct picks please let me know.
Have we ever traded to the DOLPHINS FOR THEIR SECOND ROUND PICK?
ANSWER:
NO
I don’t know if you guys are watching the Senior Bowl, but this Cromartie guy is sick! He seems to be the only playmaker the South squad has. Plus, he’s a small school guy. Major potential! I would definetley go after him.
I know we should draft him in the late rounds. I’m surprised, haven’t you heard of his cousin Antonio Cromartie he is with the Chargers and he led the league in INTs this year with 10. He was one of the best corners this year, if we get his cousin in the draft we will have a sick secondary having Clements and Cromartie, and Tarrel Brown could be our third corner or eventually replace Clements. What’s the score right now in the Senior Bowl?, I can’t watch it cause I have cable?
Holy Shit! The South team won with a game winning touchdown pass with no time remainaing! So unlike the Niners of now, more like the niners of the 80s
Final score
North 16
South 17
Players who were amazing and we should draft…
Cromartie CB (he had a great day)
Matt Forte RB (the big one Nolan likes, a lot like Brandon Jacob)
Nolan and Co. actually won the Senior Bowl!! Maybe this is a good sign.Last year Nolan got shut down 28-0.
Reason for Matt Forte is to take some of the big load off of Gore that Gore is going to get from Martz. Save some of Gore’s energy.
Now do you guys no who trevor Laws is?? I’ve been buzzing on him since December.
I don’t think he fits the 3-4 though. He is to small
There is no way Cromartie is slipping into the later rounds ninergold. The only thing working against him was exposure and after this game and the combine where he will put up impressive numbers, he’ll be a solid second probably at the worst.
Also it wasn’t a touchdown pass that won the game, it was a WR indaround by Caldwell, much like the first game of the season with Arnaz against Zona, so it is a little more like the current niners.
My bad I meant just a game winning touchdown. Yeah Cromartie will probaly be a 1st to second round pick now, question is should we get him if he is available? We have bigger needs, but Nolan is very impressed and Walt Harris isn’t getting any younger. Shawnte Spencer is okay at starting at the second corner, but it would be nice to have a young star than an average player. Tarrel Brown could probaly also be a starter, but now he needs to reciver from that injury he suffered in the last game. I rather have Clements Cromartie and Brown, rather than Clements Spencer and Brown.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see McNolan take him in the second round or even first. Now we have to see how his combine works out, there are ither corners considered better than him that didn’t playin the bowl. He played in a small school so he could fall to us.
Hardy first
Cromatie second
Cromartie first
Hardy second
Very hard descsion