Almost Doesn’t Win Games…

Shaun Hill almost made some plays. After watching this game I noticed when Hill had the chance to air it out he wasn’t all that bad, but he wasn’t that good either. In the 4th quarter when the 49ers were throwing the ball over the field trying to save face with a meaningless touchdown Hill had some decent tosses. Of course, almost all fell incomplete, I could see where he wanted to put it but they just didn’t get there. One pass in the 4th to the end zone should have been to the outside where Vernon Davis turned, instead it was on the inside and hit the defender. That would have been a touchdown. On another throw to the end zone in the 4th to Josh Morgan, who made a nice grab but only got 1 foot inbounds (if that) it was placed nicely above the defender. It was also too high for Morgan to come down with inbounds. On the same drive Hill threw one that nearly killed Morgan as he ran into a camera stand at the side of the end zone. These passes, aside from the occasional bombs that he’s had this year to Isaac Bruce during the Arizona game and again in this game to Morgan, are really what is causing the 49ers offense to stall. Frank Gore was out the past two games true, Coffee did a decent job, but the 49ers offense needs to score points. Not every game is going to be a grind it out slug fest. Today should have been a shootout, with or without Gore and Crabtree, the defense will surrender points on occasion and when that happens it’s up to the offense to match the opposition.

Am I saying I want Alex Smith to come off the bench and rescue this putrid offense? God no! And I suppose Nate Davis’ time hasn’t come yet, although if this season somehow spins out of control then I’d like to see him out there. Crabtree has a couple weeks to learn some plays and at the least be a decoy for the opposing defenses to be aware of. Right now they are blitzing the hell out of the 49ers because the offensive line can’t handle it, Shaun Hill can’t counter it with quick strikes to open receivers, and our running game hasn’t exactly worked the way we thought it would either. I’m not basing the season off this blowout game, just the fact that the same worries that most fans and media types saw coming are still there and are glaringly obvious. Shaun Hill is supposed to be a game manager, on a running team-except out running back is hurt and you can’t manage 20-30 point comeback victories. Hill can’t do it alone, everyone needs to step it up. If a defense can shut your quarterback down it’s not going to take much more to stop the rest. My suggestion is to make a highlight reel of Shaun Hill’s best plays this season and make him watch that 3 minute video over and over until he sees what he does right. Then send him out on the field to mirror what he just witnessed. If it’s all really just smoke in the mirrors than give it up and put someone else in there.



I have eaten, slept and breathed the 49ers since I knew what football was. Favorite all time players are Steve Young and Jerry Rice, even got to see Rice go into the HOF. I try to bring different perspectives to 49ersnews.com in hopes of sparking some debates in Niner Nation about whats best for the team. Hope everyone enjoys them and if not then comment and tell me why! GO NINERS!
  • A True Niner Fan

    everything just went very wrong for the Niners and everything went right for the falcons….that 90 yard touchdown from their own 5 just sucked the life outta us and the the fumble on the kickoff right after….I cant believe how the guys were quitting that is not what I thought this team was, thats not what singltary preaches but did you guys see how Josh Morgan quit running on the deep pass from Hill? or how Hill was getting frustrated cause the runnin backs were lining up wrong for pass pertection so he had to yell at them to get it right, the bly pick showboat fumble….the list goes on & on just the worst Niner Game Ive seen in a long while, I had visions of the past losing seasons…u can blame it on the bye coming up or the falcons having 2 weeks to prepare or no frank gore but I just cant believe that that was the same team from the fist four games ??? its like a bad dream, very dissapointed and shocked I know were better than that

  • Hector

    I think all this crabtree mess has thrown the focus off and the concentration. I hope that Crabtree has not jinxed us and brought that bratty cowboy loving mentality into our clubhouse. I think Hill is descent, and we should give him this year, but after this year we need to go after a proven star QB, plain and simple! The 49ers got all the tools, we got the coach, we just need that elite QB which we havent had, we cant win championships with backups year to year. We should give shaun this year, but I think he is a backup at best. I hope he proves everyone wrong! We still have a season!

    • dosia510

      it goes deeper than hill, the offensive line is playing peewee football so far this year. they look like the o-line from that matt hasselback commercial. when given time in the pocket, hill can make plays. i agree we need another qb next year, but i say we go after bradford or tebow.

  • Hector

    We need to act like this game never happened and bring back our attitude losing is unexeptable, winning is the only option! We need to put this behind us and detroy every team hear on out! The 49ers in the 80's and 90's suffered dissapointing loses early in the season, look at the 49ers in 94 when they got destroyed by the eagles at home in 94, they sucked it up, got pissed off and had something to prove, and they did! We can do the same thing, we got to take this loss personal, we are the championship 49ers, not losers, and we need to you this lose to build!

  • http://www.49ersfancast.com Indiana Jim

    The fact is Smith IS going to have to come in and rescue the offense, and when he does, I can't wait to see the crow getting swallowed by everyone writing him off.

    I mean, if it wasn't for some drops against the Raiders, Smith would have been the starter anyway. People act like there's this huge margin where Hill is so much better than Smith. Look at the 2008 preseason, for Pete's sake!

    Smith is better. We will see that.

    • http://Q Bobby Boucher

      We will see Alex Smith at some point this season. With as many sacks as the 49ers are giving up, it’s only a matter of time before Hill goes down. When he gets in he needs to prove himself once and for all. One thing all the Smith haters forget is that the guy can run with the football. When the pocket collapses he can scramble and make throws or advance the ball downfield. He would perform better than Hill the way the line is playing. Hill stands back there too long, and when he starts to run, half the time he runs right into a defender. People have short memories, but Alex Smith has started 30 games for this team. And those teams were FUCKING HORRIBLE!!!!!! I wanted him in late in the game yesterday because Hill was doing nothing. He couldn’t get anything going and he was really frustrated, which made him even less effective(if that’s possible). I’m not saying Alex could have come in and won the game, considering the hole we were in, but it would have been refreshing to see something positive instead of watching Hill just suck, and suck, and get pissed off, and then suck some more.

    • Chris

      I for one am a Alex Smith fan. I feel that he has never really gotten a fair shot to be a good starting QB. However I don't want to see him play right now. Simply because if Alex has to play we aren't winning. As long as the Ninners win games, Hill will be the starting QB. If Alex has to come in and rescue the offense that means that we are most likely loosing a shit ton of games.

      Hill did look bad the other day, but hell so did the rest of the fucking team. The Niners in whole looked unfocused and not very into the fucking game. There was a lot of coasting around going through the moitions and no heart. This is not what we have been seeing from them this season this is last year shit.

      I'm for one not worried. I thing that Mike and the rest of the coaching staff will get them back on the right path. I'm just chocking this one up to a bad day. Every team has one throughout the season. We just had our this weekend. We will not see that team on the field again this season, because if they play like that again Mike will not play those guys and put in the guys who will try.

      Remember we are not the most talented team in the NFL this season. Frank Gore was out. He'll be back. The line is a little beat up. The week off will help with that. And I hate to say it but I'm sure the whole Crabtree thing was a distraction this past week. It had to be.

      This will not happen again this year. I'm not saying that we won't lose again this season but it won't be for lack of trying like it was this week. Shaun has done a great job this year. He can continue to do it again once he puts this game behind him.

      Oh yea one more thing. Tebow isn't the answer either. He is going to suck as a NFL QB. Bradford woould be better but lets back Shaun right now and stop worrying about next year. Shaun is our man and we need to get on the banwagon. Go Niners. Go Shaun.

      • NinerPaul

        I'm with these comments!!!

  • NinerPaul

    Where do i start??? The day started off bad even for me when i was next in line at a particular gate to get into the game and the damn gate guy sent me to the next gate saying he wasn’t letting anymore in…..I was pissed!!!! The defense really sucked today. The play calling sucks it just plain sucks. No motion, poor predictable routes… Mike Martz’s routes created more space than this. The line is terrible, no pass rush… Throw whatever QB you want in there in this offensive system anyone will struggle. Look at Jimmy Rayes history if you wanna talk “Almost Doesn’t Win Games!” That has been history of his offenses, at KC and for the Jets >> There is reason why he was let go a couple of times and wasn’t sings first choice…….

  • Hector

    Cokemule, Did you just read what I said above and copy cat, I said the same thing, we lost at home that year in 94' and turned everything around and kicked ass!!! Steve Young had a shitty game much like Hill and everyone said that we would not go anywhere. We can do the same thing with this team, we have that structure, we have a good team, we jsut got to suck it up and use this as motivation!

    • wickerman

      I really think the O-line needs to be looked at hard, but honestly, Hill looked like crap even when he did have time. Too short, too long, too high, inside instead of out, he did it all. John Elway couldn't have come back in that game, but, really, why the hell was Hill still in there by the time it was over? Play Smith and give him some reps. Hill is the #1, but Jesus if he gets hurt do you want a guy who hasn't played since preseason at the helm? What if Smith has to man a comeback late in the 4th sometime this year because Hill goes down at that 2 minute drill is the only time Smith has played?

      I love Sing's commitment to his starting QB, but I think you have to think about the team too.

      As far as the defense yesterday… wtf? No effort (outside of Manny and Willis) and no execution. What happened to swarming to the ball? What happened to playing your gaps? After 9 years in the NFL why does Clements over play a ball trying for a pick without making sure he has safety help before he does? Was Dre Bly the one who got the concussion? That's about the only way I can see him being an idiot.

      What about a pass rush? Anyone? Justin Smith was fighting like hell, but I didn't see much effort elsewhere.

      Singletary needs to whip these guys into shape. No Gore is not an excuse. If you build the whole team around 1 guy, you are building to fail. Gore cannot do it all and frankly with the lack of push by the o-line yesterday, he probably would not have been much better than Coffee.

      Cross you fingers for a productive bye week and a new energy vs Houston.

  • http://Q Bobby Boucher

    Coaches nowadays are terrified to bench their starting QB when they play poorly. I would think that Singletary would be old school enough to show Shaun the pine. He was terrible yesterday. You tell him he's playing like shit. You sit his ass down. And let him finish watching the game from the sideline….period!

    • NinerPaul

      Are FN kidding me!!!!! the whole team played bad and Hill would of been 4 and 0 if it wasn't for the Farve play or should I say the non defensive stop…. Hill did his job in that game as well but the whole team did bad ….. Even Sing sayed is was poor game management on his part, about the time out… And poor coaching preperation …… And that the QB didn't have enough pocket time to get in rythm ….. The whole team played bad…..

      • http://Q Bobby Boucher

        Did you even read the article above? Hill played like shit. Yeah, so did a lot of other people, but(Shaun even admitted in postgame interview) when you lose like this a good potion of the blame falls on the QB. As well it should. I wasn’t saying bench him for the rest of the year, just the end of the game. Use the bench as a motivator for him. If he struggles for 3.5 quarters of the game, sit his ass down and let him watch. You don’t think that would light a fire under his ass the next time he steps on the field, knowing that Alex is going in if he messes up?

  • Brodie12

    If Smith was in there this year, with the poor OL play, he would be on the DL by now. I can’t help but think that if Kurt Warner had played his usual game, Gore didn’t have those two 80 yarders, and Hasselback wasn’t knocked out, we could just as easily by 1-4.
    Raye should go, get a real 21st century OC, and get anyone but Hill at QB.

    • NinerPaul

      I’m not a big Mike Martz supporter but he did a better job as an OC……. The proof is in the numbers >> His offensive average last year was >> Total YDS was 311 a game >> 211 passing and 100 running >> This year in rayes offense 267 YDS a game >> 160 pass >> 106 running >> Thats minus 51 yards a game passing and only 6 yards better in the run game. You hear raye say we’re looking to win time of possesion >> not really >> last year 29:30 this year 29:32 we gained a 2 second average so far. Now Sing had a winning record last year. So if we loose the next game we will be going backwards from the end of last year as we already are in total yards……

  • Cokemule49er

    I remember the Niners getting killed by Philly 40-8 at home one year. There were talks of that team folding up and calling it a season after only five games. Anyone remember what happened later that year? If I am correct we went to Miami in late January and raped the Chargers and got trophy number 5. I realize this is not that team, but one loss will not define this team this early in the season. It was just one of those games that you have to laugh at and come out in 2 weeks and beat the hell out of the Texans.

    • Chris

      Yep and everyone wanted to bench Young that year too. How did that turn out again. Oh year he just threw 6 TD passes in the Super Bowl. Lets all start backing Shaun. He will get us where we want to be.

  • dosia510

    theres so much that went wrong yeaterday its hard not to see all the negatives blaring out at u, and im a positive person. i dont think smith is the answer, the o-line doesnt know what blocks are if leggo hand delivered them, and im so fuckin sick of raye and his stupid fuckin play calling and his high school offensive system. as for our D, seriously, i dont know what the fuck happened. somebody tell me words of encouragement!!!

    • Chris

      They’ll be fine. Mark my words this will be a blessing in disquise. Wake up call. This shit won’t happen again.

  • Hunterboyz

    We just need Frank Gore back.
    Thats all I can remember thinking.
    He’s our offensive leader, and we need him on the field.

    I tried for hours to watch that game from the internet, but couldn’t get in. Can someone please help me get in or a link to follow.

    I’ll be at the texans game in two weeks.
    Finally a game thats close to my home.
    I wonder how many other Niner fans I’ll see there?

    Any how, lets prepare for the next game, the Texans.
    There strengths and weaknesses and what we’ll have to do to win.
    Hey someone should start that as an ongoing article.

    An article explaining what we need to do to defeat each team individually… They may already have this, but just a thought.

    Sincerely,
    A Gold-Digging For Life

    • chuckle49er

      try ustream.com or justintv.com

  • Brodie12

    Three concussions in a short period of time actually make this a no brainer – either take the remainder of the year off or retire. I think Lewis would always make the right decision for himself and his family.

  • Adam

    Alex Smith should have been the starter from the get go but Singletary wants a boring weak armed Qb to be the starter. Hill doesn’t make the mistakes that Smith would make because he doesn’t take the chances that makes for an exciting game. Sing wants boring 5 yard passes and punt. I think it was just a bad game but Smith should be starting imo.

  • http://Q Bobby Boucher

    Pundit,
    You need to update Panther watch. They eeked out a win yesterday, so they’re 1-3. Bastards!

  • Brodie12

    I agree with Wickerman. Clements could have smashed the receiver instead of trying for the pick. Another 80 yard mistake and 7 points. Morgan really disappointed when he slowed down and was tackled on the 2. No excuse, just as bad a Bly. We heard from Bly but haven’t heard what Morgan was thinking.

  • wickerman

    A bit off topic, but I just heard that both Jeff Ulrich and Lewis are considering retirement if the exams relating to their concussions raise serious health concerns. That would be a total bummer considering the fact that Lewis is a tackling machine and Ulbrich is one of (if not THE) longest tenured Niner on the roster.

    I hope they are well, but if they choose to retire, I’ll miss them both every Sunday!!!

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    Wow, just think Jay Cutler could have been in a niners uniform now! This has bothered me since the day the Bears got him. The niners didnt pursue him ‘aggresively’ and lost a chance on a young star Franchise QB. Mostly there arent great QB’s available via FA/Trade. Now they have to draft and develop one or hope they get Lucky with immediate contributions like Mark Sanchise and the Jets.

    • NinerPaul

      I don’t care what QB you put in there if the O line don’t protect QB and run block its going to be the same result……..

    • Joe Gomez

      John, Mark Sanchise has surprised everyone. For somebody who only played one season.. WOW. I mean his accuracy, pocket presence, leadership, it woulve been great to have him on the Niners. Just our luck, we drafted a BUST. Seems like alot of McClueless’ picks hasnt panned out. Chilo looks like hes headed to the bench and where the F@!# has Kentwan “The ghost” Balmer been? LOL

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    Some people might think the asking price was too much, but 2 1st, and a 3rd for Cutler and a 5th isnt that bad. These situations rarely come around and when they do you have to take advantage. Just imagine how good our team can be With Cutler and a decent Line. Top that with Gore, Crabtree, Davis, Morgan, and a young rising D. We would be top 3 team in NFC if not Top 5 at worst!

  • chuckle49er

    shaun hill isnt a starting veteran so hes still in the learning phase as a starter he probably cant read defenses as good as a veteran starter so are line needs to step up some more give him some timeso he can learn how to attack the defenses hes a pretty accurate qb but i dont likr what raye is giving him they need to go long more and trust the recievers to out play theyre defenders and coffee can run outside better and hes faster on the outside go niners!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • NinerPaul

      Good Observation….

    • dosia510

      i dont think the o-line can give him that much time. i would like them to go long too but our weak ass o-line seems incapable of pass block AND run block!

  • Brodie12

    Hill can’t throw long. He throws dying quails, underthrows receivers, and telegraphs everything. He actually is playing like a veteran – from WW II. No offense to our true vets.

  • Brodie12

    Wishful thinking Hector – We all know Steve Young, and Hill is no Steve Young

  • Hector

    Brodie, All respect, but most Heisman canidates and winners suck when they enter the pros. Young played mediocre for years before he kicked ass much years later. No question Hill is not Steve, but he has come along like Steve. This is the year though, either he gets the job one or not! Sing will not tolerate losing seasons!

    • Chris Humphreys

      You forget, Steve was a starter before he came to the 49ers, and did not fair well early in his career because he played for the horrible Tampa Bay Buccaneers, back when they were at their worst.

  • Joe Gomez

    Guys Guys! Calm yourselves down! Are you seriously calling for Alex “cant hit a open WR if his life depended on it” Smith? LMFAO!
    C’mon now, so Hill had an awful game, hes still 7-1 at Candlestick. Besides, I agree with the comments about how our O-Line stunk it up. Hill was running for his life back there with barely a second to get rid of the ball. This loss falls on everyone, special teams (WTF Nedney!, opening kickoff?), Coaches, everyone, not just the QB. So those of you who are calling for Alex to come in, give me a freakin’ break, hes used up all his chances already and thats why hes holding the clipboard! So called #1 overall pick cant beat out an undrafted player? Alex is not accurate plain and simple. He overthrows everyone, he throws behind, throws picks, ive ran out of things to throw at my TV so please drop the Alex Smith subject already. If you all were asking to put somebody in it will be Nate Davis, who is probably the most talented QB we have. Strong armed and very accurate, but we know thats not gonna happen this year. Shaun Hill had a very bad game and so did everyone else on the team. We are 3-2 atop our division and 3-0 in our division. Shaun Hill was undefeated at home before this game so dont be so quick to go after his head. Shit, you all gave Alex how many games of pathetic performances? I cant even count em. Years and years, we stuck with this guy just because we had so much money invested him. We were STUCK just like how Oakland is stuck with Jamarcus. No, Hill isnt the long term answer but he will win you more games than Alex will. That is proven. We should be talking about who is out there for next year to replace Hill. We have 2 first rounders and if Colt McCoy is a possible target than we should get him. Very accurate QB and is a proven winner. There are many out there but I think Colt would be a franchise QB for any team. He can come in and battle Davis next year for the starting spot. Put Hill as a Backup and drop Alex down to 3rd string where he belongs.

    • dosia510

      i agree joe, with 2 first round picks and a strong draft at pretty much every postion, we should stick with hill this year and go after a young solid franchise qb next year. as 4 our o-line, i dunno if we need a position coach that can teach peewee fundamentals or just replace the weak personnel.

  • marksmen22

    we shud just cut alex smith next year who needs tht retard on the team hes another matt leinart

  • Hector

    Hill reminds me alot of Steve Young, not his style just his progression. It took Steve some years before he got the job done and became the QB he became. Steve was wrote off just like Hill, and the fans did not believe him as the second coming, but he proved them wrong. Hill still has a chance to prove us wrong, but this is got to be the year! We can’t have anymore Alex Smith experiments, we need to bring our fans a winner once and for all! I feel like Hill is a backup according to 49er standards, but I have this feeling that he will come around. I am sure some of everyone feels the same about Hill, and hopefully we are right. Give Hill this year, and if he does not perform then get a proven Qb via a trade or through free agency, thats what we need! I hope Hill is another Steve Young type with a chip on his shoulder, ready to break out!! Lets hope and Prey!!!

    • NinerPaul

      I’m with these comments >>> Almost 4 and 1 if we would of won the vikings game …….

  • Hector

    I did not say Hill was Steve Young, I said he was progressing much like Steve. If you knew Steve’s history, you would understand he did not start off as the superstar Steve like he was in 94. When he started he struggled for years, and then he came along, granted he did have Montana as his mentor. Steve did not start winning till he got consistency as starter much like Hill. Hill hasn’t had enough time as starter to get better, it has ben spuratic most of his time with us. He has not had a consistent going to become the sarte we need. I don’t think he is as good as Steve, but I think with experience and Sing as his coach he will come along, but this year has gotta be the year, or he’s outa their as starter!

    • NinerPaul

      He needs more attempts >> Before this game he was last in the NFL as far as pass attempts >> And I don’t meen more pass attempts after were behind where the defense will t off ……… If your talking Steve Young His Game was pass to set up the run >> not run to set the pass……

  • Brodie12

    Steve Young was not an unheralded QB out of college. He almost won the Heisman, for Christ’s sake. He was an instant millionaire and all know his potential. Hill has no potential. You either have it or you don’t. Hill doesn’t.

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    I still believe in this team and still believe we can win with Hill. A Superbowl? No! A playoff berth without a doubt. We are still the best team in the NFC West fortunately and will finish the year with 9-12 wins. Most Likely 10 or 11, I’ll stick with 10 though. We just need a Franchise QB and, unfortunately, be ‘forced’ to draft one even if the guy we dont like is there(2005 anyone??). How about the Trade Deadline?? Thoughts??

    • Chris

      I think that we can win a Super Bowl with Shaun. Remember Trent Dlfer won a Super Bowl the same way that Shaun is playing now. Good solid running game. Limit mistakes in the passing game and just make enough plays to keep the D honest. Play strong solid D and we can win games. The NFL isn’t like MLB or the NBA. Its one game and done. We don’t have to beat a team 4 times to move on. Any team can win on any given day. Don’t judge the season because of one game. Yea it was a shitty game but it was still only one game.

  • Morse

    Ya, How bout the deadline! Did everyone hear about Rossum going to the cowbillies. I swear the billy’s must have a close eye on our team, seems like all our leftover players go their. Kosiers their, and their have been a slew of many more in the past like parrish and all the notibles, like Haley, Sanders. Those corndogeaters even went after cortez back in 99 after he was missing field goals for us back then. Anyhow, just pissed that our players go their, Jones is watching us close, and he wants a bit of what we have, he has always stole ideas from us, always! It boils his blood that were coming back to excellence, and watch out he might go after our coach! We need to kick some butt and get back, so we can show these punks a bit of 49ers football and put Jones into early retirement! The 49ers are the standard in football not Hee-HAW!!!

  • Chris Humphreys

    If we use our first few picks in the draft on offensive linemen (or if we have the chance, getting Taylor Mays or Eric Berry– talk about a dominant defense then…), Nate Davis wins the starting QB job, and we pick up some quality free agents (mainly offensive linemen) without loosing any valuable players, I could see this team making a super bowl run next year (mostly if we just improve our o-line). Right now, though, it’s going to be a tough rest of the season and hopefully our defense carries us into the playoffs, building momentum for the next year.

    • Chris

      Why is everyone here in love with Nate Davis? Yea he played pretty well in the Pre-season. But hell it was against the others teams scrubs that aren’t even playing in the NFL any more. The guys that he was playing against in those games are sitting on the couches woundering if the Arena league is going to start up again.

      Lets face it. the one chance he did get to play against NFL quality players (that made a team) was in SD and he got his ass kicked. Forget about next year guys. This year is far from over. For fuck sake. The Niners are in 1st place in the NFC West and last time I checked all we have to do is win out division and we’re in the fucking play offs. Fuck next year and back this years team. Shaun Hill is our guy and its about fucking time that we all start to back him. Hell the guy wins fucking football games, plain and simple. He had a bad day. Hell so did Tom Brady last week. It fucking happens. If it was that simple that every week you can have a QB rating of 100 then anyone could play QB in the NFL. Give the guy a break. For the first time in fucking years, Niner fans have some hope that we might be playing in January. Give me a break, next year will come. But lets worry about this year first.

      • NinerPaul

        I'm with these comments ….. I was in SD too … Nate didn't look the potential people are talking about when sing put him in the second series against better comp in SD ….

      • dosia510

        well said chris, as long as our weak ass o-line improves justa little, we will be fine.

        • Chris

          Really the line as a whole has been pretty good. The right guard is getting beat a lot, but Joe Staley has been pretty solid and The center is always a great player. Mike said that there was some changes in store for the line next week. I think he’ll get it fixed.

      • raphL

        Pretty simple. For one, Davis can actually throw the ball more than 10 yards accurately without it wobbling. Two, our offense isn’t exactly a complicated one that you wouldn’t expect a rookie to have too much trouble with..he’d be expected to convert a 3rd and 6 when needed… which basically Shaun Hill does not do MOST of the time, statistically. Three, peek around the league and look at the number of successful rookie QB’s on teams with good defense.

        You can point at Hill’s record all you want. He didn’t win those games… he simply didn’t win them. Defense won them. It’s getting to the point now where he is a liability.

        • Chris

          Oh your so right raphl, Shaun didn't win those games. I guess that someone else where 13 drove the ball 80 yards against the Cards opening day to win the game after the Defense gave up the go ahead TD. If I remember correctly, Frank (who I love) didn't do shit that game and only ran for 21 yards. Shaun went 6/6 on that drive and threw the game winning TD pass. To me thats winning the game for the team.

          Against the vikings (I know we lost, but hear me out) Shaun took the team of 2 drives of 80 + yards and threw 2 TD passes. We lost the game but it wasn't because of Shaun. The play calling sucked and Brett just was Brett.

          I don't think that the Niners drafted Davis to ever be the Starting QB. Hell I don't think they expected him to even make the team. He played well enough to make the team which is great, but he is not the Savior of the 49ers.

          Right now, Shaun gives our team the best chance to win games bar none. He might not be pretty. Hell some of his passes look like shit, but they get caught and we move the ball. We are 3-2 right now. In 1st place with a great chance to make the playoffs and if we do (which I think we will) it will be because of Shaun Hill. Not Davis, not Smith not Tim Tebow next year. It will be because of Hill. His leadership, and his heart. The man had a shitting game last week, I'll agree with you on that, but did you see the good things he did. He was the leading rusher for the team last week with 54 yards. He lead the team when Coffee was in the wrong place. Yea he got pissed who wouldn't but thats the fire that makes this guy who he is. He can't win with talent, be he has won with heart. Thats a football player.

          • raphL

            Really? Someone should have told the Falcons and Ravens last season. Not to mention the rest of the teams with winning records and rookie QBs that they're a liability. You mention that Davis wasn't drafted to be a starter but fail to mention that Hill was brought in as a BACKUP to Alex Smith and Trent Dilfer. Those 2 played so HORRIBLE that Hill actually looks decent because he doesn't throw INTs. There's a reason no teams wanted him.

            Yes he had a few nice drives… but how many 3 and outs? How many teams did the defense have to bail the offense out because they couldn't move the ball? A defense that only gave up 53 points…sure… the defense had nothing to do with it all… it was all Hill.

            Teams are starting to figure out that when hill is faced with pressure he's a horrible QB. They're stacking the box against the run cause our QB has the inability to throw a deep ball. But whatever, we'll see more of this horrible offense in the future.

          • Chris

            Oh yea. Putting a rookie in is the liability. Not playing the guy who as won 10 of his last 13 games.

  • Chris

    Oh more thing that I just read that I thought was great about this team. Hill, Smith and Gore are all staying home during the bye week to help Crabtree with the offense. Thats what a team does, not to mention leaders.

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    For all of you Big Nate Davis Fans, dont expect to see him this season. Shaun Hill will be the QB unless he severely struggles. Then Alex Smith would be called upon, not Nate Davis. The only way I can see Nate starting this year is unless we fall right out of contention, which is not going to happen. Shaun gives us the best chance to win whether you like it or not. I think the reason people love Nate is because he can throw a Football with a spiral and has good Physical Talent like all the other QB's in the NFL. The Bottom Line is he was a 5th Round Pick and it is highly unlikely he is our starter next year. It will be Shuan or a 1st Round pick/Trade.

    • Chris

      I agree. And I hate all this talk about next year. This year isn’t even over yet. Guys we are winning games. We have 11 more games to go. I just looked at our up coming schedule at there is no reason why at the worst end up 10-6. We got a good chance and a very good chance to end up 11-5 if we can beat GB on the road.

  • 49ERS

    i think we should trade for shawn marriman and chad henne

    • Chris

      Marriman would be awsome if it was still the roid crazy guy, but this year he isn't the same and might never be again. Henne is a though but I rather stay with Shaun.

      • Dan

        yeah now you want chad henne. That fast from one good performance man such band wagon ppl

        • dosia510

          i agree with dan,,,,,,

  • Adam

    Ye i’m calling for Alex Smith to start. I’ve been a fan of his since he came into the league. smith played behind some of the weakest teams in 49er history and has been the scapegoat since day 1. We have talent at WR and we have a much better team now than when Smith came into the league. he should be put in now for a couple reasons. If we get behind in a game were screwed because Hill doesn’t have the arm to throw a pass any longer than 20 yards. Also i think that Smith throws better on the run and thats what Hill is doing regularly. And I want to see a healthy Alex Smith that has an offense he understands and it looks like Jimmy Raye is gonna stick around which i think will do nothing but help Smith.

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    Why on Earth would the Miami Dolphins trade their young Franchise QB in Chad Henne?

  • Chris Humphreys

    I'm just saying yeah, our team this year is good, we have a very good chance at making the playoffs and such, but our team next year has the chance to be great, something really special. Is it bad to get excited about the team getting even better next year? Maybe all these bad seasons have made me a pessimist, and that has me talking about next year too early, but I truly am more excited about next year than this one. That makes everything good that happens this year even more awesome.

    To explain why everyone likes Nate Davis, it's because the only reason he wasn't a first rounder was his learning disability. Yeah, the only time he faced quality defenders in the preseason, he didn't do too great, but it was his first time against quality defenders. Ideally we would have Hill's head in Davis's body. If he can sit back and learn this year, and then win the starting job next year on merit, I think he could be something really special. Maybe I'm a little eager talking about it in week 6, but it's a bye week, and everyone is all down from the last game. I'm just trying to say the world is far from over and even if this season starts going downhill (which it shouldn't), next season is going to be even better.

    Yes we have a chance at 9-12 wins, and winning our division. I'm pretty excited that we're have a good chance to make the playoffs

    • Chris

      Nate Davis does have a learning disablity. I suffer myself from the same disablity. I have been dealing with this since I was in second grade. I understand that. I think that he was a late round pick because of the school he went to. Playing solely out of the shotgun and not a pro style offense. This is why I’m not sold on either Bradford or McCoy yet because they play in the same style of Offense. Typically those QB’s don’t work out in the NFL. See Alex Smith for example. However I do like the idea of Brady Quinn. He played in a pro-style Offense in College. Has NFL experiense. Strong arm. I just think that the Browns wasn’t a fit for him. Face it they suck big time. No line, Edwards dropped a shit load of balls. Just a bad orgainzation period. (really feel bad for there fans because they support this shit out of that team).

      I think that in our offense he would fit. It very similar to ND offence of running the ball and make good plays in the passing game. Yea I know that there are a lot of QBs this year in the draft. And most likely we are going to use one of those 1st round picks on one anyways, why not trade one of those picks now and get Quinn.

      Just a thought. Davis has a arm, but so does Alex. As for the things needed to play in the NFL, I’m not sure.

  • ninerfaithful

    anyone want to talk the possibiltys of trading for quinn we could give up alex and a fifth rounder ….. to clevland

    • Chris

      Thats not a bad idea but I would even go as high as saying one of our first rounders next year.

      • Chris Humphreys

        why would we want quinn? he isnt that good…

    • NinerPaul

      Quinn sucks >>

  • dosia510

    i honestly understand how and why everyone wants a marquee QB or a young stud QB out of the draft, but reality is we could have good ol' joe cool in there and we would still be just a little bit better. the only way any QB can succeed behind this shitty O-Line is if we have a scrambling QB. mike vick? i dunno but theres no sense in getting a pocket stationary QB like manning or brady if our O-Line cant even give him the 3 seconds a QB needs!!!

    • Chris

      I think that the line will be fine. Coach Mike has said that there will be changes. Right now the right guard is no blocking shit. LT tackle were are solid in Joe Staley. Baas has done a good job at left gaurd and center is outstanding. Once we get the right guard fixed we'll me fine.

      • dosia510

        i hope ur right chris, cuz anymore shitty playing by this line and u guys will be reading the following headline…"LOCAL MAN COMMITS SUICIDE OVER POOR 49ERS OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY"…

  • Chris

    Oh and one more thing. We are going to make the play offs this year. We are going to win the West. And Next year is going to be special. Be optimistic guys. This is a good year.

  • Dan

    We have many options next year at quarterback. For now believe in Shaun Hill he has been playing well so farwith the exeption of last game. It is one bad game lets see the next game and see how he respons. Dont try to find a quick solution all you people who want to trade for quarterbacks and other positions, think about how that has worked out for the Raiders. Be patient next year we can draft a quarterback and have Nate Davis in the wings so far things are looking up.

    • dosia510

      i do believe in hill dan, just not so confident in our o-line. besides the two big runs from gore, they have been playing like a continuation high school football team. but i do believe in singletary, so well see how it goes brotha!

      • Dan

        Completely agree I say we got two first rounders at least either get a QB and sit him let Hill play or improve our O line in the draft. If we draft a QB let him develop and improve our O line in another Draft or sign a free agent. We can use Miami for example they drafted Jake Long and has become a solid Linemen and is still developing

  • wickerman

    Without a doubt, a pass rusher is a huge a need. Far more than QB actually. Also, if the o-line play does not improve as the season goes on, you need o-line before QB. Say we got Tebow (we wouldn't, he;d be gone by then) Why watch him get sacked 60 times? What good does that do? After o-line, we need receivers. Bruce is going to retire soon. There seems to be no love for Hill or Spurlock and Battle is an excellent possession guy, but lacks speed. If Morgan is to grow, he needs a legit guy opposite him with speed.

    Crabtree is not it. Crabs has no speed – I can see him having the kind of career Bruce has had if he lives up to potential – great possession guy but not a deep threat.

    We need a Moss or a young Tim Brown.

    • Dan

      I dont think Tebow is going to go that high hes a great college quarterback and i personally love the guy (no homo) and hopes he succeeds but a there are a lot of questions on how he can transition to the NFL I say late first round early second at best

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    Why are people so high on Drafting and developing O-Lineman. We have enough young Lineman going through ‘growing pains’ (Chilo Rachal Joe Staley) for more to come in and do the same. If you want immediate impact and proven talent you have to go through FA aggresively and sign a G and a RT. Then in the Draft we can possibly get a QB, depending on who is available. If not, then a Safety or Pass Rusher are possibilities.

    • Dan

      Cause are linemen are so inconsistent take plays off

      • DcNinerFan

        Actually, our O-linemen are one of the least penalized in the league… but then again, they let the 3rd most sacks happen, so its a trade off.

        • Dan

          Taking a sack is like taking a penalty exept with a penalty we dont lose a down

  • http://www.49ersnews.com John

    wickerman, there is no way the niners are going to target WR this offseason. We just signed our future in Crabtree, developing Morgan, and have Brandon Jones signed long term to a decent contract. Not to mention Battle, a solid #4, and J.Hill/VDavis. This weeks game is a MUST WIN game no doubt about it. We cant afford to lose this game going into Indy on the Road. Cardinals have Giant next week on the road so that helps and Seahawks have a bye. This is an opportunity to gain on every team in this division with a win.

  • Chris

    Great point John. We have to win this week. Right now we are tied with the Cards and they have to play a very pissed off New York team this week. So there is a great chance they aren’t going to come out on top of that one. If we win at Houston, we can take back control of the division again.

    I feel that coming off the bye week with a foul taste in their mouths from 2 weeks ago, that we aren’t just going to win the game we are going ot destory Houston. Gore is back healthy and we get to see with 30 million can buy in Crabtree. Really looking forward to his game.