Martz Fired
Dec 30, 2008
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Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that the 49ers have decided not to retain offensive coordinator Mike Martz. According to earlier reports, Mike Singletary wanted to retain Martz, but several members of the front office (including Scot McCloughan) didn’t, and followed through today.
This is a bad move on the front offices part. They better bring in someone who has serious qualities at the OC position. Hopefully the offense doesn’t do like the Rams and Lions did after Martz left there…
As far as a replacement goes Jay Glazer is reporting that former Rams head coach Scott Linehan has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Martz.
Source: Martz Looking for Work Again
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Being he was a high draft choice Manny Lawson could possibly be a bust.
True / False? Give me your answers.
My answer is True being that he was drafted so high he has been a disappointment
Rawb – yeah s/b lots of options at 10 plus cheaper. Top 5 means you really sucked big time. Risky & expensive.
We need FEAR FACTOR on both sides of the ball. You hit it dead on about Mays…doesn’t wrap up sometimes but NO BIGGIE trust me Singletary will fix that & quick. WR’s will be looking out when they run routes past 10 yards deep. No more take what the F you want welcome Roman mat. Mays is around 225 lbs/runs a 4.3/4.4 max-40…that’s a FREAK at that size. What makes him a safe pick is if he becomes too heavy he can EASILY slide to Strong Safety. Don’t see it happening though, he’ll make a home at Free Safety & see if he can reach Lott status. Would be a HUGE UPGRADE.
I’m almost sure we’re staying 3-4 with Manusky so we need a stud NT. Cody’s staying in school. After Raji it’s a big dropoff. I like Ron Brace/BC/330 lbs in the 3rd Rd. Antonio Dixon/Miami/330 lbs coming off knee surgery but was a 2-3 Rd’er before he injured his knee. So he will be a 7th Rd’er or undrafted. I say kick out Nolan’s clueless project Damane Duckett if he isn’t showing progress & develop Dixon. Other possible late Rd NT projects…Al Woods. NT’s are thin period.
I’d love to get a change of pace Sproles type RB but Sing will probably want that Jacobs bruiser first.
Bigrawb. He’ll yeah you gotta have two different styles to throw that defense off. Man what do you think of Robinson though? I am not impressed at all. Clayton should have been given a shot. Gore is definitely a bruiser with some good lateral movement like you said. One more stud RB and we will be on our way!
Joe, you’re definately right about Sproles, that dude is a buffed midget. I love watching that guy. But I think Thomas Clayton fits that slasher type. He isn’t going to run anyone over, but he could break it to the outside like a Reggie Bush or someone like that. I’d like to see him catching balls out of the backfield. I’m sayin’ we definately need a short yardage back. we were for sure lacking that last year.
So far Joe yes he is. He’s in a gray area because it took him 3/4 of the season to heal from knee surgery then he started to come on & make plays. We drafted him as a pass rusher & we missed. Add that to not much production this year he’s a bust right now. Next year is kind of a do or die for him. At 100% health will he reach his potential?
Bust as a pass rusher but IF he can show he can cover the TE’s & be a playmaking LB (high tackles/plays vs the pass…overall making an impact) he will turn into an OK pick. The jury will be finally out PERIOD AFTER NEXT YEAR.
He was the 22nd pick. A late 1st rounder should start & become an impact player. He should make BIG STRIDES HIS 2ND YEAR….Lawson did start his 1st year & in his 2nd showed that but then got injured early last season.
Mike in MD, I’m pretty sure we’re sticking with the 3-4. What about George Selvie out of South Florida? He’s a DE but I’m sure we can put him in some kind of a Justin Smith type role. He’s supposed to go early 1st round. Know anything about him?
Axe – NO. Just from scouting reports. For DE pass rushers here’s how they’re ranked & some of my notes. That size also can play 3-4 OLB. My guys I like I’ve scouted so far are Orapko, Everett Brown, WAS HARDY….but he’s injured this year…too risky, 2nd RD maybe.
1) Orapko / top 5 pick
2) Michael Johnson / top 25 **like size/speed
3) George Selvie / top 25 **scout report sounds good
*MICHAEL JOHNSON / Georgia Tech / 6-7, 257 lbs / 4.63-40 / Projected top 15 pick / 2007: 4 sacks, 2008: Came on in last 10 games. 6 sacks, 10 TFL
*GEORGE SELVIE / South Florida / 6-4, 250 lbs / 4.68-40 / Projected top 25 pick / 2006: 5.5 sacks as a freshman, 2007: 14.5 sacks as sophomore, 2008: Facing countless double teams this year, it’s amazing Selvie put up 11 TFL and five sacks through 8 games.
*EVERETTE BROWN / Florida State / 6-4, 250 lbs / 4.60-40 / Projected top 25 pick / 2007: 11.5 tackles for loss and 6.5 sacks. As an added bonus, Brown is reliable; he has yet to miss a game in his career as a Seminole. 2008: In nine games, he has 15 TFL and 9 sacks, which could prompt him to declare early.
*GREG HARDY / Ole Miss / 6-5, 260 / 4.69-40 / Projected top 25 pick / 2007: Hardy’s a lock 1st Rd’er if he repeats his 2007 year; Hardy had 10 sacks and 18 tackles for losses, both are incredible numbers in the SEC. With a great 2008, Hardy could crack the top 10. 2008: Hardy hasn’t played much all year because of a foot injury. He has 4.5 TFL and 3 sacks in just 4 games.
Sorry mistake: Michael Johnson is top 15 from Walter’s……..
Joe – I seriously don’t know what the hell to do with Robinson. This is another McNolan clueless f*** up in my opinion. Another damn project they drafted because they didn’t pick players to match their system. Great ST’s but not a real RB….what the hell do we do with him??? Seriously I don’t know. Like him, but he doesn’t fit anywhere. We could replace him with a short yardage back, #2 big back next to Gore, or a Sproles like change of pace scat back.
Robinson hasn’t measured up as a running back, but he made some tough catches in the last few games. Is he worth keeping? I don’t know.
Axe – the rosters 53. What do we carry 3 RB’s on gameday right? Gore + 2. We need a bruiser 2nd workhorse + short yardage Jacobs type AND a NYG’s Bradshaw SD Sproles homerun fast explosive type.
How does Robinson fit here?? There’s just no room. Tough decisions have to be made. I don’t know how we squeeze this guy in. You can’t have an ONLY ST’s player can you??
Well as far as robinson i think he would make a good WR on short and medium passes. a possible replacement for Battle. Obviously we found out we can make it without Battle.
Wasted time “projects that don’t fit”
1) Damane Duckett – DT to Offensive Tackle. WTF?? Waste of time,
how many years now?
2) Robinson – QB to I don’t know WTH. FB? RB? We could have drafted
better here to FIT A NEED. Physical hard nose player, good dude,
but we don’t draft ONLY FOR SPECIAL TEAMS. Get a clue.
3) Zach Keasey – because you’re a lunch pailer hard worker doesn’t
make your a legit FB. Too small, can’t destroy LB’s which is
their job.
No disrespect for battle tough i thought i might add. he is a good pass reciever.
redneck – your making my point. Another project. Maybe we can try to save this screw up pick. Yeah he “possibly” could make it.
As long as he’s healthy, Gore will be the focus of opposing defenses. So we bounce Robinson, make Clayton the slasher or get someone else thru free agency, and pick up a Jacobs/ Michael Turner type in the draft? Sounds good to me. So who’s available?
I think Battle’s still solid. The young guys s/b taking over soon hopefully. Battle’s tough & remember carried us as a number 1 WR for awhile. Until we get a solid WR core he still is a very good #3 WR or gives us good depth.
Oh and I’m not on the Zak Keasy bandwagon, if there is one. I wouldn’t miss him.
I like what Robinson’s done for us esp his effort & physicality.
Bottom line with Robinson I see these as his options.
1) He practices & trains in his vacation time & MC/OTA/TC to become
a legit RB or legit short yardage back.
2) We accept him as a ST’s player only if we have the room to do
that.
3) He can become a legit FB.
4) What about TE? WR…..maybe.
If he doesn’t fit any of these the way I see it he’s gonna have to be traded or cut.
Keasey….pleeeease. How did he even make this team? We should be able to find better. C’MON.
hey I might be thinking to much but with robinson’s hiegth and speech and obvious catchibility. Cornerback, don’t limit him. spread him around he has a fit we just need to find it. As far as what i said about Battle I meant no disrespect, he did carry this team for a good couple of years. But, a time for change is in effect.
Sorry a few too many beers. Hieght and speed I meant to say.
Heres the deal guys, let get rid of the “ordinary and mediocre” players. Lets start by Cutting Robinson. We should of made plays with him throwing the ball out of that wildcat formation. Then Cut Battle, another ex-QB who never used his arm. Also we should cut the following players: Zak “not a real FB” Keasey
Barry “I cant block anybody” Sims
Mark “Zero Int’s in the last 2 yrs” Roman
Alex “what a waste” Smith
Jonas “brittle as fuck” Jennings
Damane “worthless” Duckett
Jamie “grandpa” Martin
Then….. promote Clayton from the practice squad to compete with Foster and another FA or Draft prick for the 2nd spot beside Gore.
Then get a stud FA WR like a TJ from Cincy or Plaxico “shot myself” Burress to take the #1 spot have Isaac #2 and Morgan #3 and Hill #4.
Then….Draft Draft and Draft. Pick up a beast to rush the QB. Maybe get a QB to compete with Shaun Hill and JTO. We should be able to get a good “rangy” safety in the high to middle rounds. Also pick up some good O-Linemen and some D-Linemen. If we can get some Tackles/Guards thru FA. Heard Haynesworth will be available.
Before all this though, I hope we can pick up a OC, somebody good enough to keep the offense rolling. If Linehan is as good as West says he is than maybe were ok. If not, im telling you all, were gonna regret getting rid of Mike “the Offensive Frankenstein” Martz.
Almost forgot…. get rid of Bryant Johnson. This one year wonder wasnt that impressive in my opinion. Let him go.
Keep Bryant Johnson throught the offseason for some competition issues. Just to scare and drive other players, for he makes a great pon.
Just saw on the espn ticker that Edgerrin James won’t return to the Cardinals next year…just pointing that out.
Edge would be nice. Hes got something to prove after he takes the splinters out of his ass.
I agree I like Robinson and Battle both- but neither every through the ball – we never used them for there skill set.
We need a Power Back and a change up back- I believe Robinson could be a descent 4th back, Special team, TE, wideout change up.
We need a power back ala Leron Mclain or Mike Bush to take the pressure of Gore- (imagine a Bush Gore ticket in the backfield) Let Gore be more of a 3rd down back. He is a good reciever. Also draft a change up back.
Also Line Vernon Davis up more in the backfield. Either for Pass blocking – receiving out of the Backfield, or a quick end around. That play worked to well this year for them to only run it twice. A running back can block for him on this (let him use his speed), or he can block for Hill on a 3rd or 1st down pass play. (use his best skills speed and blocking) allow walker and Bajema to be the receivers.
We need to draft O line and sign O line (like Mike said)
As well as pass rushers. Keep the Receivers we have.( maybe we could trade Johnson for Bush)
Sorry throw not through
Magnum I think the same thing Micheal Bush would be good with Gore, like Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs, I also think Leanard Weaver should be our FB according to Maicco hes expendable, he killed us in that one game wouldnt mind having him instead of “Cheesy” Keasey.
Anquan Boldins free too Id like to pick him up for the right price if we dont he better not return to the Cards, Kurt is almost done, they have no running game and Boldin might leave so we are taking over with Coach Sing Haynesworth, Gross, or Boldin should be one of McClueless yearly big signings he may be stupid but he gives me somthing to look forward to every offseason!
Billi I sure don’t look forward to McClueless making decisions for this team. Yea forgot about Anquan. He wanted to leave the Cards this season. He would be a solid pick up. Every year it seems like we have so many holes to fill. That tells you how fucking stupid Nolan & McClueless really are. They set this franchise back 6 years. Especially with the lame ass Alex Smith pick.
Watching the Miami?balt game. I can’t wait until next year and Mike’s agressive style.
More hits should mean more turnovers FOR us. Hopefully most times we can play closer than 10 plus yards off every receiver too. Would love to dominate like the old days.
I miss the chicken walk after a GREAT defensive play!!!!!
Joe everything you said about cleaning house of those BS players is exactly correct. I am also tired of this stagnent mediocrace. When DeBartlo was here he would not stand for that. We let go of those players who are not winners and get the cream of the crop or close to it, this is the Championship 49ers! We nnedto free up trhat money and get Plaxico or someone of his calibur, we need proven star receiver, and weneed to bust ass and get Matt Cassall if he is still available, that would improve the team leaps and bounds. The players you listed Joe do not have that killer instinct, theirs no urgency and passion, I think Robinson more concerned about his career in Broadcasting after football. The 49ers need proven talent plain and simple. The 49era need to be a powerhouse offense again, you need a high power offense to stay in todays game. Hey, REdneck learn how to talk and Go back to the Cowboys Website, your posts are idiotic, and your posing to be a niner fan and that pisses me off! Go back to Hee-Haw at the cowboys website RedneckCowboy! Were gonna beat the he’ll out of those Hillbilies in the coming years in the playoffs, get ready and te.ll your hillbilly friends on your Cowboy chat room. 49ers are the real Americas Team!
I fucking told you all numerous times what we should do:
#1 RUN the ball and vote
result: Singletary ran the ball more and we won and now wants to play a power running offense….which leads me to…….
#2 Martz would wear out his welcome with his insane ideas and game planning
result: Dont let the door hit yeah on the way out
#3 Dont listen to Gomez
result: Albert Haynesworth was the best defensive player in the league this year and he did not know who he was so dont put too much thought into his bitching, whining, and know it all attitude.
I pretty much am the greatest 49ers prognosticator in the history of the team and thank you all for your support and gratitude this season . So I will now leave you all with my brilliant draft genius mind by stating the following:
With the tenth pick of the 2009 NFL draft the 49ers select…..
Taylor Mays S USC
Uuuummmm….am I the only one wondering if Shanahan would be a good fit as the OC next year? I mean if Singletary is talking going with the power run game, then who better to go with than that guy? I know there’s the possibility of a power struggle, but maybe he might want a year to mull over other coaching opportunities while being an OC.
Texas9er…… Nice call on Leftwich, I forgot he is a F.A. He would fit, has ran a form of the West Coast Offense during his stay with the Jags, Cant remember what Patino did in ATL system wise…I agree he has played well with Pitt, also would like to add he did well with the Jags….Only concern would be that ankle that was a main reason the Jags let him go…… I wouldnt mind bringing him in! Cassel is gonna cost an prob take away picks from us depending on what the Pats do with him and could leave other needs unmet. Another thing to think about, We got money and have been smart with it….and my favorite part “finally spending on talent we need”!
El Mobre……Shanahan is going to be a HC somewhere this year. But you answered your own question, “he might want a year to mull over other coaching opportunities while being an OC”. Sing doesn’t want a short term quick fix or Martz would still be here. Scott Linehan is out there!
Hey Sarah I thought we squashed everything? U wanna stir shit up again. Just like a republican. LOL. If u want war motherfucker let me know bitch.
Hey Sarah ‘the bitch’ Palin, font think you can come on here once every other month and spill out the garbage you call 49ers knowledge. Your insight on this team is downright pathetic. Also, after about the 20th time the Haynesworth thing got old quick. Can your sorry bitch ass come bring something new for a change? Or is your brain still numb from all the bitch slapping you got from Obama? Another thing, if we pick Mays with our first pick then your the Vice President of the U.S. Wake up homo, that shit won’t happen. Only because your stupid ass called it. You can clown all you want about Martz but all he did was significantly improve
our offense. Or did your dumb ass think Singletary was running the offense? Haha .. Dumb motherfucker. Your still stupid Sarah all right. Did you really think Sing wanted Martz fired. If you did then you really don’t know shit. Yeah I claim to know alot about the Niners. I’ve only been following this team for 29 fucking years. I don’t claim to know everything about the NFL. I’ve never claimed that and never will. I will guarantee you this… I’ll run circles around your bitch ass when it comes to Niners football. Like I said faggot…you wanna start shit with me again then bring it on! I enjoy talking smack to ignorant fags like yourself. Go ahead say something else so I can school your little bitch ass you fucking homo. You probably dress yourself like Sarah Palin too don’t you? Your one sick bitch!
REMINDER: FIESTA BOWL TONIGHT OHIO ST VS TEXAS – 8:15 PM EASTERN
Check out Orapko & possibly Colt McCoy who’s coming out next year. I’m not a fan of Laurinitus. IMO too small & is another MIKE LB, Willis’ spot. Too small for TED & is not the pass rusher we’re looking for at our weak side OLB WILL spot. We’re still hoping for Lawson to tie down his SAM spot. The glaring need is at the WILL.
If Orapko is all that & is for real up to the hype he’ll be an option. The guy I like for sure as our pass rusher is Everett Brown/Florida St.
Here’s what will most likely line up for us….Taylor Mays, Rey Maualuga, Everest Brown, BJ Raji, Malcolm Jenkins (can play CB or Free Safety) Oher & Andre Smith should be long gone, Orapko has a long shot to drop….still too early to tell as we’re way to far ahead of the Draft but after Free Agency (end of February) in March EVERYONE should be lining up where there supposed to & we’ll know more accurately of their standings. The final stage of that is after the combine.
The next important date is January 15th. This is the deadline when Juniors & red shirt Sophomore’s must declare for the Draft if they want to come out early. A guy to keep an eye out here is Terrance Cody/NT/6-5, 365 lbs/Alabama who might change his mind…..he’ll be a 1st rounder guaranteed & get the big money.
Another good Bowl game………McCoy does it again!
Mike think McCoy said he wont be coming out…
West – yeah that was a while back. I haven’t heard anything about him changing his mind. Hey I fell asleep during the 3rd Qtr. But Orapko didn’t impress me too much. He had some good rushes early. Ohio St was running away from him 90% of the time.
I was trying to scout Jenkins. Man he looks strong just looking at him. Hard to judge his play because I NEVER saw McCoy throw at him. That’s how most teams play him.
I take it Texas won??! Right on for your boys….I’m from Cali so I’m a USC & CAL guy. Can’t wait for the Jan 15th deadline, also should have our OC by then. If the Raiders hire a new HC & Davis lets him bring in his own assistants I want Tom Rathman ASAP as our RB’s coach. He’s doing that same job for Oakland right now. He knows all about the run game.
Gomez I agree with you on who we should cut and it will probably happend. Battles time with this team is over he used to be very good but if he comes back that will take playing time from Morgan and Hill I think Bryant Johnson is OK atleast he could catch the ball remember Daryl Jackson. Keasey, Mr Glass, Sims (Kwames Brother) should be packing there bags. Roman may stay as a backup but we need a Saftey who could int the ball!!
Side note Ted Robinson is no Joe Starkey bad choice!!!!!!
Bring back Morran Norris, that was a crazy move replacing him with that matrux twin Keasey. He blocked good for Gore, and Gore running game was much improved than it is now. Bring BacK Moran, He’s had enough of that 0-16 shit in Detroit!
I said that about Keasey last year
Mike …..yeah I had my eye on Jenkins, they stayed away from him…..
As for Rathman, that would be a blessing…. Just hope Al would let him go! Rathmans been around for awhile an knows his shit….Always a bonus when they are former 9ers…
Im from Cali also, Bay Area……..Im a Cal fan, not fond of USC…lol
But i watch all College games, Dont matter da team….Get da best game on! College ball hits me different than my 9ers…. I can watch College and not care who wins……but when the 9ers mess up, I’m feeling it…..lol
Medford………Ted Robinson, good choice…….He’s been around forever…. has covered Warriors, A’s, Gaints, filled in a 9er game, Olympics…. The guy knows his sports….Know dont get me wrong, it sucks Starkey gone but someone gotta take his place….
I gotta watch my 9ers anyways, cant listen to da game!!!…
Medford, Roman was so pathetic he should be shipped out. We should get a FA or draft a ball hawk and have him compete with Goldsen. Well have Lewis & Lewis combo at the strong position.
West – Rathman’s contract is finished in 1 week!!!!!!!!
WE NEED TO POUNCE ON THAT!!!!
(The article’s on the Webzone by Anne Killion.)
Mike, thanks we gotta go get him
Even if McCoy was coming out, anyone who thinks we’re gonna take him with the 10th pick is smoking crack. Another spread offense guy, probably will turn out to be another Alex Smith. If we make that mistake again, this team is in serious trouble.