MMP: The Day After
Apr 28, 2008
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The 2008 NFL Draft is officially behind us and the 49ers drafted defensive line, offensive line, wide receiver and secondary. The consensus on the draft is that the picks were safe, and most of the grades are around the C+ range.
- Mel Kiper gives the 49ers a C+
- According to McCloughan the 49ers did not take a WR until round six because “we’re not good enough to draft for need”
- Word on Spikes is 50-50. They will touch base with Spikes soon. Heading into the draft there was a strong chance that Spikes would probably be signed if they didn’t draft an ILB. Although Grant was drafted and is set to compete at the ‘ted’ spot. His drafting doesn’t affect the Spikes situation.
- 49ers had offers to move back in the draft three times. Rounds four, six, and seven.
Rachal was the first USC guy drafted by 49ers since DE Israel Ifeanyi (now let’s hope he works out better than Ifeanyi did) - The 49ers were contemplating a receiver in round 2, when asked Martz said he preferred Chilo Rachal over that receiver.
- McCloughan describes Chilo Rachal as a ‘poor man’s Larry Allen’
UDFA’s so far: Cam Colvin (WR), Gary Guyton (LB), Ezra Butler (LB), Robert Jordan (WR), Joe Jon Finley (TE), Louis Holmes (DE) - Butch Davis, Balmer’s Line Coach at NC, compares him to former Eagle Jerome Brown.
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Be interesting to see if Cam and Robert can make the team. I would still like to see them sign Takeo as well. What a beastly middle set we would have. That would make up for a boring draft in my opinion.
C+ sounds about right. Zero excitement except screams of pain from us! But who knows how these kids will perform.
Walsh’s last pick in the last round, Johnson, would have been a great receiver if he ever stayed healthy, so time will tell. Obviously Martz wasn’t impressed with the talent of the wide receivers. Would be easier to throw if the quarterbacks’s weren’t running for their life…
Let’s hope the line is stronger and gives them time to find our boys.
VD…. do us proud.
Frank? Just be yourself.
As usual… I’m just hopeful…
is this what it comes down to? being excited over some guy who wasnt even drafted and was a number 2 receiver in college? man were stretchin’ pretty far just to get excited about something arent we. at the end of the day lets all just thank Nolan, Mcloughan, and dont forget Donahue. Have we officially become the NFL’s version of the 1990’s Golden State Warriors of the Bay area? The team who finally made the playoffs after ten long years. This is looking to be about a 10+ year playoff drought. Its been seven already. God please help this franchise.
B. We pick up two guys who can immediately help (1st two picks). Wallace will be center within a few years (next year if we decide Heitmann is too expensive); he was the best pure center in the draft and unless we’re going to wait to Mack out of Cal, this was a good pick. If Smith moves over to safety, then we got four starters (the idea being he beats Roman out).
The other two were a boom or bust and depth at ILB. Worst case, it is is likely 4 starters. Best case, 5 plus some depth that we can always use.
If Colvin, Jordan, or one of the FA LBs hit, this is a B+
Joe Gomez: Why don’t you just back up your team instead of talking so much crap? Training camp hasn’t even started yet and you’re already talking about how horrible this team’s going to be. I’m not 100% confident that the team will do well this year but at least I support them. I say we just let things play out and see what happens instead of jumping to conclusions.
niner_junkie its because he’s really a raider fan. u know
blah blah blah thats all they know how to do
if we quit playing his pathetic game he’ll get tired and go back to the black hole
Haha that sounds about right. I’ll just leave it alone.
Joe, the team doesn’t even have a grass stain on their jerseys yet. Holy shit. How can you be so butt hurt over a draft. We won’t even know if this was a good draft until three years from now. Since you love sucking WR dicks all draft here is the best quote…
“The 49ers were contemplating a receiver in round 2, when asked Martz said he preferred Chilo Rachal over that receiver.”
Thank god Joe isn’t in the war room. We would have came out with 6 WR.
Dan the Man :::::::: If joe would of been in the war room with his
raider mask on. He would of done his Mike Ditka impersonation and
traded all 6 of our picks to Al Davis for the 4th pick and drafted
Desean Jackson. The would of spent the rest of the weekend on this
site tellin everyone what horrilbe draft the niners had…..LOL
I’ve seen some real bafoons on this site from time to time they
usually resurface with a new name. But this guy has them all beat
its like he’s auditioning for talk radio. Thats it joe go call
damon bruce on KNBR.
All i know is that our biggest problem last year wasnt the WR’s it was the o line. our QB’s never had any time to throw and look what happened to Alex Smith, he got fucked up. i dont blame nolan or Mcoughlin for their draft cause our o line sucked ass. And the reason no one was talking about Kentwan Balmer before the draft and the niners getting him was because he wasnt even suppose to be their. i saw him going as high as 11 to the bills and really no later then the Seacocks. he was the third best D tackle behind Ellis and Dorsey.i think a NFL coach who all he does from the end of the season to the draft is scout players knows a little more than an idiot at home on the computer reading all these bullshit Mock drafts. mock drafts dont mean shit. And i am glad that your all not creaming in your pants about the draft and off season the niners are having cause we were all like this last year, myself included and look what happend 5-11. where not going to know anything about the season till they step on the field in september and play some ball.
This is the deal and correct me if I am wrong Niner Pundit……I think that Rachal should start right guard and Baas (if he can come back healthy 100 percent) should start at center. Heitman is the weak link and this further forces his hand. Between Baas and Heitman I think everyone can agree that Baas is the better starter. I am also like to see Larry Allen come back for ONE MORE YEAR. By the way, that is RACHAL’s HERO!!! I like how Balmer sounded in his interview, but he has to prove to me that he was better than Calais Campbell and Phillip Merling. The jury is still out. As for the Texas A&M center……I get that one, but I think we really could have gotten a better player. At the very least it puts the interior line on notice that they can’t just sit back and chill out with the starting spot. What I want to know is if Balmer starts on the left side now and the ANGRY Samoan get the starting nod at the nose tackle. Justin Smith and SOAP WILL start come week one…..the question IS who is going to be the third guy? Balmer can play nose and left end.
The 9ers came up with the second or third fastest OL in the draft, when they chose Chilo Rachal, who, will be our right tackle for the next 6-8 years. He was a tackle all his prep career, who dominated at point of attack. USC made him an All-American guard. Now he’ll most likely play inside until Baas returns. There’s two prayers that I have. #1. That Larry Allen returns, 30lbs. lighter, so that he will again be able to get to those quick inside 2-gappers, and is again able to reach the second level to spring Gore. #2. “That the new drafted center will recharge Eric Heitmann” who was dinged up some last year. If no Allen, then it’s, LT Staley, LG Adams, C Heitmann, RG Baas, RT Rachal. Wragge could spell inside at G.or C. Another scenerio, would have LT Staley, LG Heitmann, C Wallace, RG Wragge, RT Rachal, with Adams filling at G.T. what ever!! This guy Reggie Smith, can bring the wood and I think he would make a much better Free Safety, where he could come to the ball, instead of at cornerback, where he don’t have in my estimation, the foot speed to deal with the elite outside speed of NFL Wide Receivers. So we drafted players, that most likely will be repositioned. Go 9ers!!
The ? is will Nolan let Colvin play? He doesnt even let drafted WR’s play so even though we got Colvin it doesnt mean he will even see the field
RE: Why did you wait until the sixth round to get a wide receiver?
“The way it worked for us this year was the best player on the board. We knew early we were going to do it no matter what. But it fell that way throughout the draft. We are not going to force the issue on a receiver in the fourth, or the third, when we do have a better player at another position. We are not a good enough team to draft for need. We’ve still got to take the best player, and as many guys as we can to make us better.”
Thought this was interesting..this is a transcript from McCloughans interview from 49ersparadise.com..Scot is saying we didnt draft for need we drafted the best player. Could of fooled me.
hey los banos beaner eater..thats funny..but sorry i would never package 6 fucken picks for one player no matter how good the player is.. another idiotic comment from an illegal alien..however your right i wouldve picked up d. jackson because he was available in the 2nd round. by the way how much for the chiklet? HAHAHA. dude..go watch the soccer channel or something thats probably where your real football knowledge is at..give up the NFL chat.. your clueless ese.
hey dan the gay man.. so who are #1 receiver in our receiver corps dipshit? yea theyre all #2’s and 3’s arent they? drafting 6 receivers? hahaha…get jerrys cock out of your mouth cause you talkin stupid now… 1 legit playmaker at the WR position in this draft and it would of been a much better draft..all im saying is we need to seriously address the lack of talent at that position moron..WR was a top need in this draft and we didnt get one til the 6th round..also quit lying to everyone cause i read the fucken transcript..martz didnt pick that OL over the WR dumbass..he told Scot “do what you need to do.” Go back to the transcript and read it again bitch cause you dont know what the fuck your saying.
In a nutshell…sf chronicle laid it down what kind of draft we had…couldnt have said it better..we picked up…
– A versatile defensive lineman who probably will become a starter.
– An offensive guard who eventually could be a starter.
– A cornerback who might not be good enough to play corner.
– A backup center.
– A wide receiver with an arrest on his record and an indelible memory of being pepper sprayed.
– A linebacker chosen for his value on special teams and his ability to block kicks
here you go dan the pussy…straight from scot’s transcript..in his own words regarding the pick of Chilo and the next pick..not sure which source martz is quoted saying he wanted chilo over the WR on the board but this is black and white..the transcript of the interview.
RE: On Mike Martz’s involvement with picking Rachal and Wallace
“He’s involved in the conversation; whenever it’s all said and done it’s my call. But, he gives me his input and he’s been very cordial. Again, I think it’s very important that the coaches are involved. I want them to be on the same page. There was no green light, he looked at me and said ‘do what you’ve got to do’ and I said ‘I always do.’
hey los banos wetback..you know its funny reading some of your prior posts..you wanted the niners to do some serious trading..and your talkin smack about me doing trades? your the one praying for some trades to happen in the meantime on your knees polishing Caldwell’s knob. all this time you were pushing for a WR and at the same time criticizing me for wanting one. good one beaner.
It would have been pretty nice to have picked a WR in the second round and let him learn from one of the best Issac Bruce. They r going to be very thin a WR next year Bruce two year contract Johnston 1 year contract whos left Battle he isnt the answer I would rather see Colvin at #3 then him he has had his chance and he is what he is a tough guy but not a starter. Bruce probably wont stay if Martz aint here next year and u know how other teams like r OC.
San Francisco 49ers
Grade: C-
The Niners took two projects (Chilo Rachal and Kentwan Balmer) with their top picks. Rachal was a need pick after RG David Baas underwent surgery for a torn pectorals, but neither is a sure bet to be a solid starter. Both were boom-or-bust risks for a team that won five games last year. The 49ers hope third-rounder Reggie Smith can play corner, but he may lack the speed to excel there. Virginia Tech WR Josh Morgan and Ohio State LB Larry Grant are almost strictly special teams prospects. C Cody Wallace will be a backup.
source rotoworld
good post medford..these 2 were a stretch..theyre not guaranteed to start and have questionable work ethics..Balmer had one solid season and Rachal needs alot of work as far as redirection techniques and footwork..when your picken 1 and 2 .. they should be immediate starters. WR was a top priority that we failed to address. i mean waiting til the 6th round? defenses will just crowd the line with 7 to 8 players just like last year to stop gore because our receivers cant get separation. we needed some quality receiver with rare speed such as desean to get that separation and open field play making ability. like you said our current WR corps are not even signed with us for long. arnaz is a qb turned wr although tough is not that fast, bruce is on his downside and signed for 2 yrs, johnson is a #2 career wr is signed for 1 year, hill had one catch all year last year, lelie is non existant, morgan is a career #2 and has arrest issues, colvin will be our greatest hope and hes undrafted. maybe theyre goal is to suck again this year knowing were not gonna make the playoffs again anyways and are trying to draft that franchise WR next year..have no idea what they were thinking.
you want a number one reciever well i got two words for you in the 2009 NFL draft “Michael Crabtree” he is nasty
Im really hoping this WR issue will be solved during the regular season remember there is three awesome recievers wanting to be traded 1) Roy Williams good possiblity good relationship with Mike Martz, 2) Chad Johnson self expanatory the guy beats horses in a foot race, 3) Anquan Boldin awesome reciever ill take any of the three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yo faccipazzo, “LT Staley, LG Adams, C Heitmann, RG Baas, RT Rachal”
Who the fuck is LG Adams?
adam snyder
See Medford, WE DON’T NEED PROJECTS…..we need producers. Rachal has the best chance to start out of all of them. I think that Nolan will go with Smith, Soap, and Franklin at the starting three up front. If Baas comes back 100 percent then we need to give Heitman the bench. THe offensive line should be Staley, Snyder, Baas, Rachal, and Jennings. If Jennings stays healthy than this could be a killer o line. Heitman is the weak link. Put him on the bench.
Ryan, like your order for our O Line….but I think Nolan might go with smith ,soap on da ends an Balmer at nt….long as he can hold up da double team… I c franklin coming off da bench……What i do like is we can switch from 4-3-, 3-4 in games with easy….we can give alot of different looks with our D, BRING UP EXTRA DB’S, like we did against da bengals at times also.
Just hope we can get some pressure on some qb’s…..Oliver, or 1 of da moore’s
Yes, and someone get Takeo Spikes on the line. I hear now that only the Browns and the Niners are interested in him. The Browns have already had their spending spree. I hope we are willing to pay him because he would start.
I don’t put any stock in anything rotoworld says. What the fuck do they know about anything. Bottom line is teams take more of a risk drafting flashy players like WR’s, QB’s, and RB’s. Trench players are needed to allow the flash to do their job, and we were thin on guys to do the dirty work. We’re in much better shape now, so let poindexter analysts write all they want. What does it take to get an A grade from these self-proclaimed experts? They can all kiss my ass.
I would have liked to see us draft a pass-rusher early, but that didn’t happen so there’s no use crying about it. I definitely agree with McLoughan when he said this draft made us better.
Spikes would b nice…..could make Willis dat much greater…..an company
Morning everyone, thought I’d weigh in on the starting lines..
OL
LT Staly, LG Snyder, C Wallace or Baas or Wragge thats the big
battle who ever wins wins, RG Rachal or Baas, RT Rachal or Jennings.
I don’t think Heitman should start and not at center guard is his
natural position. At center he’s calling the OL plays and didn’t do
a very good job. 2 years ago when he got hurt Wragge came in and did great for like the last 4 or 5 games. Hopefully the new line
coach will change things up.
DL
Smith is locked at RE, Soapaga will beat out Franklin at the nose,
Balmer at LE. When we go to the 4-3. I hope its Smith RE. Soap RT,
Balmer LT, McDonald or Moore LE. Leave Aubrayo as a rotation back
up. He got schooled last year. As for Fields back up also.
We have mini camp this week end as well as alot of other teams.
As they start seeing how there new teams look. there are going to
be some high caliber players cut loose. The niners still have cap
room I believe. Watch for them to not only sign Spikes but a
VETERAN WIDE RECIEVER. (No he might not be a #1 WR), but a #2 or 3
is all we need. There will be other veterans cut that could be
signed.
I know that Bruce old and only has a 2year contract which is pro-
bably 1 year to long. We can always cut him next year. Johnson has
a 1 year contract which I think is great if he kicks ass we give
him an extension. Hes playing for a new deal, and should be hungry.
Battle will probably be a 4th rec/special teams. Good team guy not
much else. Hill, Lelie, Colvin, or another free agent, will be
competeing for the 3ed spot.
Only half of teams in the league have true #1 WR. Having 2 #2’s is
all bad. Having Gore running the ball will make our WR look alot
better. Now that they have addressed the O line.
All in all it was a good draft.We got what we needed.Could have went with Malcolm Kelly or Desean Jackson in the 2nd round but we helped add depth to the much needed O-line.I’m thinkin we go WR 1st round next year.
Mel KIper said on ESPN last night that that the Arizona Cardinals will have the first pick in the 2009 draft.Ha Ha lets hope so.
Los Banos Jerry is wrong. Almost every team in the NFL has a legit #1 receiver. Ill name 20 right now (which is way over half) with their receiver yardage total. R. Wayne, Indy (1510), R. Moss, NE (1493), C. Johnson, Cin (1440), Fitzgerald, AZ (1409), TO, Dal (1355), Marshall, Den (1325), B. Edwards, Cle (1289), R. White, ATL (1202), Colston, NOR (1202), Holt, Stl (1189), Engram, Sea (1147), Curtis, Phi (1110), Mason, Bal (1087), Driver, GB (1048), Burress, NYG (1025), Galloway, TB (1014), Smith, Car (1002), D. Bowe, Kan (995), Gates, SD (984), Chambers, Mia (970)… Thats twenty #1 receivers right there and i didnt even count Evans from Buffalo, Moss in Washington or Williams in Detroit who all went over 800 yards. Most of these teams have both their #1 and #2 guys going over 1000 like welker and moss. Jackson came in last year to be our #1 guy but didnt do shit or our 2nd option (battle) actually beat him out with 600 yards. the reason why are line struggled so bad wasnt because they had no talent its because they were bringing in 7 to 8 guys stacking them in the box for the sole mission to stop Gore. Well Gore cant do it all by himself. without a true #1 receiver to spread out defenses, someone they must account for teams will just continue to laugh at our passing attack.
Did this draft improve their depth? Sure. But when you go 5-11, you need a major upgrade in talent. You need to go out and get sure-fire starters and difference makers…and I don’t see that in the guys they drafted. Especially aggrivating when Groves and Jackson were right there for the taking.
McCloughan said that they weren’t good enough to draft for need…well, they sure as hell aren’t good enough to draft for depth!
I fiured out why your such an idiot you can”t even can’t count to 20. that was 16. Gated is a TE. just because they got 1000 yards
doesn’t make them a legit #1 rec. So if you included all those names
thats still just 16 which is what I said 1/2 the league. Simple math
lesson for 1st grader 32 – 16 = 16
Oh since your a raider fan I thought you would of realized that
Chambers is a Charger not a Dolphin. Shut and go back to the Black
Hole or did they run you out of Oaktown……….Moron
Nashville9er:: The problem with getting Willis the rookie of the
year last year is that you hope or think that its gonna happen every
year. The chances are very slim that Jackson or Groves will have a
big impact in there 1st year. McCloughan said it right. At 5-11 we’re not good enough to pick those type players. We have to fix the
lines as frustrating as it seams. If we still had the 7th pick that
was traded to the Patriots then we would of had another blue chip
prospect. Most GM’s felt there was between 14 and 20 blue chippers.
We didn’t pick until 29 and 39. There are no guarantees. Jackson in
his 1st year probably wouldn’t see the field except on Special teams. Even Jerry Rice sucked his rookie year. Groves if he was on
our team without an above avg DL wouldn’t be effective. Our line was
brutal. Nolan needs to win this year or he’s gone. They had to fix
the trences 1st.
They’ll pick up some more free agents. There are going to be some
sweet veterans cut in the next few weeks. If both lines this year
gell and are effective. Then maybe next year will be upgrading the
WR position. Through the draft of free agency again.
Here’s a ?????????? for anyone,, how many WR in the 2007 draft that
were drafted withen the first 39 picks, became legit #1 WR’s. I can
only think of 1, D. Bowe, K.C.
Los Banos Jerry, Calvin Johnson will be a legit #1 sooner rather than later, but you’re right about WR’s not contributing much their first couple years. Dwayne Bowe was the best receiver among a KC core of crap.
As I said before, we took much less of a risk drafting linemen early rather than a wideout, plus we addressed a serious need. This is probably not a popular opinion, but I for one am happy with the drafting of linemen. Whether or not they pan out is another story.
AXEGRINDER there are more people that agree with us than you might
think. there just not all posting because they probably don;t want
to deal with the morons from the black hole. Check out the draft
pole. there are alot of B grades.
When they sign Spikes and 1 or 2 more vets that are gonna get cut
because they are to big of salary cap hit. We might just be 8-8,
9-7. We’re in a very weak division. The Blow Hards keep talking
about WR. When they should be bitching about our biggest problem.
QUARTERBACK
oh so you want to start with the insults again huh spick? so you caught gates who like gonzales in KC is being used as a WR..even though you take Gates out.. thats still 19 #1 WR’s. I know that wetback tijuana education you have doesnt do you no justice but c’mon jerry you can do better than that! quit talkin about the black hole cause i already told you ive been a niner fan longer than youve been in America..hahaha..so why dont you take your expired green card and go back to tijuana. and tell your mom in that back seat of that taxi cab to give back my change..i gave her a ten for that $5 blowjob…hahaha.
Nashville9er good fucken post! Couldnt have said it better myself! That comment by McLoughan didnt make much sense. All along when they were drafting linemen we were thinking we were drafting for need. Hes saying were not good enough do draft for need…amazing.
hey since you know so much about the niners beaner eater..tell me what number our new LB Grant will be wearing and what significant niner in the past used to wear that number. and what was that niner known for doing. (hint: it was one of the plays that won one of our championships) c’mon dry off all that grease out of your wetback head of yours and think! c’mon beaner you could do it!
joe black hole gomez:: Were you listening to KNBR this morning how
else would you of none these questions. 57, Dan Bunz, Super bowl 16
goal line stand against the Bungals. Come on MORON even a Raider fan
could of answered that. Your beyond pathetic. Mason, Engram, Colston
are #2 recievers. I love when your bullshit gets caught you resort to ethnic slander. Thats why we know that your a jealous Raider FAN
wishing your team had 5 Super Bowl Trophies. hey how did you feel
about rhodes getting cut.
BURNED……Joe Gomez just got burned….We need lineman not one and done shitty recievers….wow joe gomez always keeping it classy i see with your ethnic slures really nice. Fucking idiot what are you ten
joe gomez!!!that was some funny shit!!!But i think yor wrong.We do have a number #1 receiver in Bryant Johnson.The dude is a stud.Our receivers are gonna be pretty good depending on Alex Amith.Thats why we didn’t take any in the draft.Go niners.The comment bout you being a niner fan longer than los banos jerry has been in America.Fuckin hilarious.But isnt your last name Gomez?Dont you mean you’ve been a niner fan longer than both of you have been in America?
Is joe still on his whole “we should have gone WR all six picks” crap. well alex (or Shawn) can’t throw the ball if he is on his back. Second if you thought p_willie tackled everything that moved, he is now going to have to tackle his own teammates once that huge d-lineman is taking up o-line double teams. and joe say high to Al Davis for us 9er fans.
hey everybody joe crossed the fence to help build candlestick (as old as it is). HaHa
hey beaner head…thats probably the only reason why your knew it was bunz..hey did you finish counting yet? haha..that was 19 without gates idiot..frankthetitty..oh so you want to talk shit too huh? so how long are we gona wait until we pull a trigger on a offensive playmaker at the WR receiver? donahue fucked up by picking rashaun woods but other than that when did we look for a WR in top 3 rounds? im not saying dont address the line..but shit we already gave up our number one pick for staley..we drafted baas and snyder..larry brown hasnt said hes retiring for sure..jonas jennings is good when healthy..im just saying..im sure we could of gotten a good lineman in the later rounds..that 2nd round pick had offensive playmaker written all over it..sweed is a stud..jackson is a stud..we cant give up trying to find a offensive game breaker just because we had some bad picks in the past. didnt know too much about rashaun woods but maybe he didnt have the right coaching. who on our team can really scare a defense besides gore? vernon was supposed to be that game breaker but he has been a disappointment. again, i bleed red and gold..i used to follow the raiders when they had stabler, branch, casper and them because i grew up in the bay. after they left i was through with them. i started watching the niners when they had steve deberg as qb and montana was his backup. oh and beaner eater..i met bunz back in 1980 when he came to my school in the bay as a kid..then i met him at his restaurant in roseville.. so fuck the raiders…i am a 49ers fan for life..if you still doubt me go to myspace.com/jomargomez and you will see pictures of my kids at the 49ers family day. they go every year. we also go to every kids camp. every training camp. ive been to all five super bowl parade. im the biggest 49ers fan so dont even try that raider black hole shit on me. even though i think they had a much better draft than us i couldnt care less for them. jamarcus russell will probably end up being better than alex will ever be. that is probably the weakest point of the niners is qb and second is the receivers. like i said again the reason why the line looked so bad last year is because they were crowding the damn line for gore and daring us to beat them with the pass. beaner eater is always the dickhead who says something first..i just follow it up. saying your wrong is just an opinion. but you start calling me a moron than we got a fucken problem. you got your opinion i got mine. but you start saying something personal than weve got problems.